Deutschland uber Alles... Germany's theme song?

[Txini]

also have modern version

 

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It was officially ignored during most of the Second Reich (1871 to 1918), which had no official anthem as such. The "Deutschlandlied's" real popularity began with World War I, when it was sung on the battlefield by young soldiers from every Gau of the Reich who were thrown together against a common foe. Ironically, the song did not become the official national anthem until declared so by President Ebert of the Weimar Republic in March 1922.

Excuse, but that is not true. The Kaiser Reich did have an Anthem. The melody was the same as "God save the Queen" and the text was "Heil Dir im Siegeskranz, Retter des Vaterlands, Heil Kaiser Dir."

The "Deutschlandlied" was very popular allready before WW1!

Since the melodie of the Kaiser- anthem is the same as of the british, I would suggest the "Wacht am Rhein" (Guard at the Rhine) as German theme song, which was extremely popular since the napoleonic Wars. As someone allready stated, the "Deutschlandlied" melodie was that of the Austrian Anthem - ("Gott erhalte, Gott beschütze unsern, Kaiser unser Land")

 

[Languish]

Originally posted by Burris
The one recorded recently is far better :-/

Link?

 

[Dark Knight]

Originally posted by Languish
Link?

http://www.firstworldwar.com/audio/godsavethetsar.htm

Or did you mean a link for an ugly modern version?

 

[DanielM]

For the ones, who are interested in German Hymns:

Since 1922 is the "Kaiserhymne" also known as "Deutschlandlied" the german national anthem. Since 1952 is the "Deutschlandlied" again the national anthem, but we sing only the third paragraph(?).
From 1933-1945 was the Deutschlandlied also the anthem, together with the Horst-Wessel-Lied "Die Fahne hoch".
In the second Reich (1871-1918), the German National Anthem was "Heil Dir im Siegerkranz" and "Die Wacht am Rhein".
"Heil dir im Siegerkranz" was the Anthem of the Prussian King and Emperor of Germany.
Austria-Hungary had also the melody of the Deutschlandlied, but the Text: "Gott behüte Franz den Kaiser, unsern guten Kaiser Franz".
If You want texts and mp3-Files of some of these songs, then go to www.ingeb.org - "Deutsche Volkslieder", there You will find more.

 

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Is anyone here from Germany sure that the banned verses aren't illegal? And even if they aren't, putting in national anthems kind of constrains the developers to put in _all_ national anthems, which would suck up a lot of music time and probobly mean the inclusion of a lot of boring music.

I'd prefer if they stuck to the interesting music of the era. Better Wagner for the Germans and the Jupiter movement of the Planets suite for the Brits than DÜA and GStQ.

 

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I think it will be like in EU2, that they just have music from that time in general, regardless which country you play. It also would be a bit boring if you just hear the anthem of the country you are playing and would be a bit of work adding all those music-files for every single nation. Even if it is just for the major powers. I realy like the music of "Imperialism" intro at the beginning.

They should also consider pictures with soundeffects and music if some major event happens. Like if you win a war a picture of parading troops and cheering crowds, with some victory march ("Prussias Glory") and the sound of parading boots on asphalt. If some revolution starts, then barrikades and the song of the "Internationale" - red flags ect. If a new empire is founded - a picture of a crowning ceremony and bombastic music. If you lose a war or sign a humiliating peace, then pics of a defeated army and music like funeral-march from Beethovens Egmont. ect. ect. Same should be for Royal Weddings ect. ect.

 

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Balthasar Schumacher, 1793

1. Heil dir im Siegerkranz,
Herrscher des Vaterlands!
Heil, Kaiser, dir!
Fühl in des Thrones Glanz
Die hohe Wonne ganz,
Liebling des Volks zu sein!
Heil Kaiser, dir!

2. Nicht Roß und Reisige
Sichern die steile Höh',
Wo Fürsten steh'n:
Liebe des Vaterlands,
Liebe des freien Manns
Gründet den Herrscherthron
Wie Fels im Meer.

3. Heilige Flamme, glüh',
Glüh' und erlösche nie
Fürs Vaterland!
Wir alle stehen dann
Mutig für einen Mann,
Kämpfen und bluten gern
Für Thron und Reich!

4. Handlung und Wissenschaft
Hebe mit Mut und Kraft
Ihr Haupt empor!
Krieger- und Heldenthat
Finde ihr Lorbeerblatt
Treu aufgehoben! Dort
An deinem Thron!

5. Dauernder stets zu blüh'n
Weh' insre Flagge kün
Auf hoher See!
Ha, wie so stolz und hehr
Wirfst über Land und Meer
Weithin der deutsche Aar
Flammenden Blick.

6. Sei, Kaiser Wilhelm, hier
Lang' deines Volkes Zier,
Der Menschheit Stolz!
Fühl' in des Thrones Glanz,
Die hohe Wonne ganz,
Liebling des Volkes zu sein!
Heil, Kaiser, dir!

 

[PatMaster]

Originally posted by Wilhelm II
I think it will be like in EU2, that they just have music from that time in general, regardless which country you play. It also would be a bit boring if you just hear the anthem of the country you are playing and would be a bit of work adding all those music-files for every single nation. Even if it is just for the major powers. I realy like the music of "Imperialism" intro at the beginning.

That would rule out the nation-specific songs tho, which is a shame. Imagine playing as England shipping troops over the channel to France with Deutschland Über Alles coming out of your loudspeakers, or playing Germany launching an offensive in order to achieve a breaktrough at the trenches, to Rule Britannia! Nope, then you'd have to ditch those lovely soundtracks entirely, which would be bad.

Oh, and on the matter of the workload it would take; don't we have an excellent community over here who'd be glad to help out? You could even open a thread in the Public Forum, just as it was done with Eu2 and the country descriptions

They should also consider pictures with soundeffects and music if some major event happens. Like if you win a war a picture of parading troops and cheering crowds, with some victory march ("Prussias Glory") and the sound of parading boots on asphalt. If some revolution starts, then barrikades and the song of the "Internationale" - red flags ect. If a new empire is founded - a picture of a crowning ceremony and bombastic music. If you lose a war or sign a humiliating peace, then pics of a defeated army and music like funeral-march from Beethovens Egmont. ect. ect. Same should be for Royal Weddings ect. ect.

An excellent idea that I'm all for. However, I believe it's a bit too late for such additions. Let's just hope I'm wrong, tho.

 

[brandnew70x7]

Here are several good versions of God Save the Tsar without the crackling of a phonograph.

http://www.skazka.no/anthems/

I particularly like the one sung by the Cossacks.

This one would work best as it has no vocals:

http://www.fysel.ntnu.no/~makarov/anthems/bozhe-tsarya-khrani-instr-2.mp3

It would be REALLY cool if you have slow paced music when theres no war and have fast paced during wars, and for certain events (Like coronations of kings, etc) have that particular anthem play.

 

[Styrbiorn]

Originally posted by PatMaster
That would rule out the nation-specific songs tho, which is a shame. Imagine playing as England shipping troops over the channel to France with Deutschland Über Alles coming out of your loudspeakers, or playing Germany launching an offensive in order to achieve a breaktrough at the trenches, to Rule Britannia! Nope, then you'd have to ditch those lovely soundtracks entirely, which would be bad.

Oh, and on the matter of the workload it would take; don't we have an excellent community over here who'd be glad to help out? You could even open a thread in the Public Forum, just as it was done with Eu2 and the country descriptions



An excellent idea that I'm all for. However, I believe it's a bit too late for such additions. Let's just hope I'm wrong, tho.

An excellent idea. Generic music could be the rule for all countries, but spiced with one or two nation specific songs/tunes thrown into the mix. I don't think that would be too hard to fix, not with the support and help with the mentioned community.

I hope it isn't to late.

 

[Wooglin]

It is my understanding that including the stanza "Deutschland uber Alles" was illegal in the former West Germany. I do not know if it is still illegal.

I do not know whether there was a specific statute on point or whether sentiments considered Nazi were predicate acts for a "disturbing the peace" type of general violation.

This is not as unusual as it might appear. For example, in many American states the "N" word, while free speach, is a per se "fighting word" and automatically a breach of peace. American courts have so far failed to reconcile this aspect of hate crimes legislation.

Paradox should check with their attorneys.

-W

 

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Originally posted by Wooglin
It is my understanding that including the stanza "Deutschland uber Alles" was illegal in the former West Germany. I do not know if it is still illegal.

I do not know whether there was a specific statute on point or whether sentiments considered Nazi were predicate acts for a "disturbing the peace" type of general violation.

This is not as unusual as it might appear. For example, in many American states the "N" word, while free speach, is a per se "fighting word" and automatically a breach of peace. American courts have so far failed to reconcile this aspect of hate crimes legislation.

Paradox should check with their attorneys.

-W

I dont think thats relevant, since they would hardly use the sung version. I assume all anthems (if any) would just be instrumental.

 

[aprof]

Re: Re: Re: Deutschland uber Alles... Germany's theme song?

Originally posted by Sytass
"God save the queen" was very popular in various countries (e.g. Germany - Heil Dir im Siegerkranz), too....

Really? In America, we also have a national song based on "God Save the Queen/King"; it's "My Country, 'Tis of Thee". If there are many versions in many nations, that right there is a reason to include it. Each player will think of his/her own version while listening.

 

[brandnew70x7]

There are many many countries that did use God Save the King. Russia used it some times with the words from God Save the Tsar.

 

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I think an instrumental of 'God Save the King' would be a good idea. Since so many used it it's a good choice.

since it refers to the traditional ethnographic boundaries of Germany ("from the Maas [in Belgium] to the Memel [between the present day Kaliningrad area of Russia and Lithuania], from the Etsch [on the Austro-Italian border] to the Belt [in Denmark]").

I'm surprised it's illegal, just because one group tried and failed isn't a reason to give up. Try a diplomatic method, they're all Germans after all.

 

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The falala song is vital, if you leave it out, you must put it in a patch.

 

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Originally posted by JPesterfield



I'm surprised it's illegal, just because one group tried and failed isn't a reason to give up. Try a diplomatic method, they're all Germans after all.

"Deutschland über Alles" is NOT illegal. It just states that the first 2 verses are not to be sung at offcial occasions. That is also understandable from THEIR viewpoint, since in the song regions and rivers are named that no longer belong to Germany.

 

[Galleblære]

Originally posted by Anzu
Or how about "Feuer Frei" by Rammstein...
No, seriously. It could be good.

What about Links 2 3 4?

 

[brandnew70x7]

Originally posted by Wilhelm II
"Deutschland über Alles" is NOT illegal. It just states that the first 2 verses are not to be sung at offcial occasions. That is also understandable from THEIR viewpoint, since in the song regions and rivers are named that no longer belong to Germany.

Its likewise for certain lines that the scots don't like in Rule Britannia.