Most Europeans probably lacked all but the most basic details of India, and vice versa. I doubt the Pope even had much of an up to date view on the political situation there.
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you are right logically crusades should go:
step 1 important sites of christianity
step 2 neighbours
step 3 new neighbours
but
Probably the ai pope expected the troops will do as in the first crusade (the really first one the peasant one) and just go alooting everything that isn't christian catholic between Jerusalem (where the crusade would be both closer to goal than rome and it would be a nice reminder of past successes) and the target
Actually notice jerusalem has sinai so they embark troops there swim around the peninsula and blam purging time so it COULD be done. Pointless and costly but IRL orissa would never know what hit them it would like aztecs invading europe but this time with crossbowmen (who were illigal in christian church but Deus Vult) heavy cavalry (with bonuses from buildings) and no events to warn you about it
Oh and in 1245 pope sent missionaries to karakorum (capitol of mongolia).
step 1 important sites of christianity
step 2 neighbours
step 3 new neighbours
but
Peacefully? I don't think those crusaders will make a peaceful walk through persia I even wrote about it earlier.
Probably the ai pope expected the troops will do as in the first crusade (the really first one the peasant one) and just go alooting everything that isn't christian catholic between Jerusalem (where the crusade would be both closer to goal than rome and it would be a nice reminder of past successes) and the target
Actually notice jerusalem has sinai so they embark troops there swim around the peninsula and blam purging time so it COULD be done. Pointless and costly but IRL orissa would never know what hit them it would like aztecs invading europe but this time with crossbowmen (who were illigal in christian church but Deus Vult) heavy cavalry (with bonuses from buildings) and no events to warn you about it
year is 1162. Marco Polo willingly just for lolz went to china in 12something I think papal spies travelling alongside jerusalemite caravans would reach india by that time.
Oh and in 1245 pope sent missionaries to karakorum (capitol of mongolia).
We were talking about trying we never said anything of those who actually accomplished at least from those descending from europe before the age of posh empires and their posh kings and queens.
And Alexander did it, he did try to conquer India, and when does it become acceptable for Crusades to waltz across certain areas? How do you think the Crusaders ended up in the unholy land in the first place? They just flew over there on medieval airplanes? This is your flight attendant speaking just a friendly reminder that Pope Urban II has promised First Class flying to all Crusaders! No they either took a ship there or they walked there. So that's walking from France to Palestine or whatever the Arabs called it.
Also in reply to just letting the Crusaders walk on through I have but this to say, if you are a king Arab or European, and you're confronted with an empire to defend mind you, and you have an army of about 30,000 people walking through your lands and you are NOT their enemy? Do you go out to confront them in open battle? OR do you let them just walk on through? Now you put a lot on those adhering to the Islamic religion way back when but you're not counting the fact that a lot of Christians didn't exactly want a rag tag band of a bunch of hooligans walking in their backyard either. Hey ho to the Fourth Crusade!
But you had said that there was 'no way a medieval realm' would try and conquer a far off place like india. But my point stands, that they did try to conquer the Levant and overthrow the caliphates even. And those surely must have seemed as equally a far away of a place as India to say a nation like France except for of course the coastal cities of southern France which probably saw a lot of merchants from the Caliphates.
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The Levant is in no way comparable to India. Pilgrims and merchants had been traveling to Jerusalem for a thousand years; indeed, Raymond of Toulouse (one of the leaders of the First Crusade, and founder of the County of Tripoli) had allegedly been to Jerusalem on a pilgrimage years before the Crusade was called. The Mediterranean was an area of massive trade and communication.
In contrast, India was a mysterious land where anything could live, and a trip to Mongolia even in the 1200s was so unusual that Marco Polo wrote a best-selling book about it. I doubt the Pope would even know that Orissa even existed.
And a European army marching through the Middle East, Persia, and across the Hindu Kush would almost certainly be attacked along the route, because the only way it could feed itself would be through looting the countryside, which no ruler could tolerate.
Finally, we have plenty of examples of places that the Crusaders targeted. With the exception of the First Crusade (which targeted the Holy Land and was in direct response to a request from a Christian ruler facing an invasion), they all targeted areas near Christian-held territory. Egypt, Syria, Africa (Tunis) were all major targets of Crusades, none of which have any crusade weight at present.
In contrast, India was a mysterious land where anything could live, and a trip to Mongolia even in the 1200s was so unusual that Marco Polo wrote a best-selling book about it. I doubt the Pope would even know that Orissa even existed.
And a European army marching through the Middle East, Persia, and across the Hindu Kush would almost certainly be attacked along the route, because the only way it could feed itself would be through looting the countryside, which no ruler could tolerate.
Finally, we have plenty of examples of places that the Crusaders targeted. With the exception of the First Crusade (which targeted the Holy Land and was in direct response to a request from a Christian ruler facing an invasion), they all targeted areas near Christian-held territory. Egypt, Syria, Africa (Tunis) were all major targets of Crusades, none of which have any crusade weight at present.
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As I recall the Wiki, Egypt does have a significant crusade weight but I swear I've never seen it targeted, though jihads are frequent enough if you hold it as a Christian.
Actually the crusades were largely economic, political and religious in nature, not about over population.
But first they were defensive in origin, Basileus Alexios Komnenos requested aid in dealing with the invading Seljuk muslims and he sort of got it at first.
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Do they believe in God? No? Call for Crusade!!!Such as a zealus pope...
More like a pope who understood that if the Roman Empire fell in the east that the enemies of the Roman Empire would then become THEIR enemies. Much of the conquest of Eastern Europe and parts of Central and Northern Europe by the Ottoman Empire are often conveniently omitted in the history books of western nations. Yet in the days of old it was much harder to ignore the power house that once was the Sultanates and Caliphates. Ergo the Crusades and Jihads were generally more politically driven and just utilized religion to justify their wars. Today though since religion is no longer an acceptable standard to go to war for, nations find much more nefarious ways of committing acts of organized violence against other nations.
Terrorists are more like paid mercenaries who use religion to justify their crimes, the question is though, who is paying them? And who profits the most? GOD I LOVE YOU LUCIUS CASSIUS!
Come to think of it, wasn't the Fourth Crusades diversion to Byzantium (I don't call it Constantinople, because I don't like Constantine or many Roman Emperors for that matter) but anyways wasn't the diversion and subsequent sacking because of money or something or another? So couldn't Crusaders just be counted as mercenaries?
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Do they believe in God? No? Call for Crusade!!!
They do believe in God, because it was St Thomas the Apostle who converted the Indians and there is a Christian patriarchate in India. Christian ruler of the Indians is Prester John, who is the Emperor of Three Indias.
True. Besides Levant, the historical crusades happened in Iberia, North Africa, Baltic region and in the Balkans. These regions should have the highest crusade weight, but in game this isn't the case.
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There was also the Cathar Crusade which was a crusade against Christians (just not ones that followed the Papal Decree of the proper use of toilet paper)
4crusade was supposed to go to egypt and thus holy land but they needed ships for 20/30k troops (french heavy cavalry don't be fooled by the number) so we are back to the topic of medieval navies, and they had that navy , IN VENICE ALONE (I know it was the biggest MR back then but nonetheless) hovewer venice was BFF with mamluks and they were trading partners, obviously aiding an army in invading they're land would be bad for bussiness (hard to call a burned down city a trade centre). So the doge made a deal with the crusaders : you go kill my rival the byzantines and I give you ships for your crusade
But then Pope Innocentius III excommunicated both sides (the doge didn't care probably he was over 80 years old, blind if I remember correctly, cynical greedy and an intriguer). End of the crusade
So they were mercenaries payd in ships
I left that out intentionally, because internal crusades against the Christians were somewhat difficult concept during the middle ages. Some Catholic authors thought that proper crusades couldn't be called against the other Christians, but then there were also things like "crusades" against Orthodox Novgorod or Italian "crusades" against the Ghibelline "heretics".
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Ah, I see, I was about to disagree with the OP, but now I get it.
I suppose the issue most people are having with this isn't that historically, these lands were not crusaded against, but that it's not a place that is adjacent to the Christian Blob. I'm assuming most wouldn't have an issue with a crusade for India if somehow the rest of the world would be Christian (or Muslim for Jihads or whatever for GHWs).
So knowing that, certain limitations should be set in place for calling Crusades/Jihads/GHWs - like a distance limit to the closest Christian ruler / county - so Crusades could be called for either:
I suppose the issue most people are having with this isn't that historically, these lands were not crusaded against, but that it's not a place that is adjacent to the Christian Blob. I'm assuming most wouldn't have an issue with a crusade for India if somehow the rest of the world would be Christian (or Muslim for Jihads or whatever for GHWs).
So knowing that, certain limitations should be set in place for calling Crusades/Jihads/GHWs - like a distance limit to the closest Christian ruler / county - so Crusades could be called for either:
- Regions adjacent to the existing Christian realms
- Regions with a Christian population being ruled by a non-Christian ruler
- Christian holy places
- (A few pre-determined de jure Kingdoms that were historically Christian?)
Ergo political motivation to all threats to the establishment. Just like John Lennon, you beautiful singer you, you and your message will be missed.
His holiness the pope after watching the last season of My Little Pony:
Pope: "Fellow Christians! I call for a crusade for Mongolia so that we may bring the light of Christ to the heathens! (And bring about Generation 5)...
Bishop: "Uh, sorry your holiness what did you say la...."
"Pope: *Ahem*, and so that we may appropriate and convert a Mongolian throat singing choir to serve our Holy Mother Church..."
Bishop: "Uh, sorry your holiness what did you say la...."
"Pope: *Ahem*, and so that we may appropriate and convert a Mongolian throat singing choir to serve our Holy Mother Church..."
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His holiness the pope after having been to his local Indian restaurant:
Pope: "Fellow Christians! I call for a crusade for India so that we may bring the light of Christ to the uncouth Hindus! (And set about to acquire every single curry recipe as if they were Pokémon)...
Bishop: "I do apologise your holiness what was the last bi...."
Pope: "*Ahem*, and so that we may appropriate and convert Shah Rukh Khan to play the leading role in our latest adaptation of The Passion of the Christ"
Bishop: "I do apologise your holiness what was the last bi...."
Pope: "*Ahem*, and so that we may appropriate and convert Shah Rukh Khan to play the leading role in our latest adaptation of The Passion of the Christ"
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Please avoid letting his holiness the pope from knowing that there are Pokémons in Japan.
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They should be called. Because if Catholicism is strong enough to conquer all those areas, the Popes should be arrogant enough to start Crusades against Infidel States.
The mod in question edits the weights so that Religious heads would more realistically focus their Holy Wars, so that the Pope would find the idea of converting India more attractive than converting some poor nomads in Mongolia.
Sorry, I should of been more clear, but yes that is basically what I mean.
In theory, I wouldn't mind a crusade for Orissa, BUT, only if all historical crusade targets like Africa and Syria had been taken, AND everything in between Orissa and the rest of Christianity had been taken (Mesopotamia, Persia, Baluchistan, Delhi, Sindh, Malwa, etc).