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Please for the love of god and all that is holy, can you please try and fix the Crusades, Jihads, and Great Holy Wars in the next update Paradox? It's quite possibly the worst (or at least most immersion ruining) problem in the game at the moment IMO, when you have Crusades for India and Jihads for Scandinavia. Its just a little bit silly when this happens:
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Are the normal Crusading places already taken? I do not see Iberia is on the map.
 

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When pope says Deus vult, then Deus vult, you heretic! Even if it is in India.

With all seriousness, though, I think Crusades, Jihads and all this kind of stuff should be only for certain areas. If they are all in control of that religion, then Crusade simply won´t be called.
 
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Are the normal Crusading places already taken? I do not see Iberia is on the map.
Yup, and that's the issue: after all the normal Crusading places are taken, the Pope goes completely insane in his Crusade targets. It's also a problem for other religions too.
I believe it was hinted/implied that GHW targeting would be fixed in the upcoming patch, but I can't remember where I saw it.
I do hope so.
 

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Found the source. This post from the most recent dev diary, in response to a complaint about crusade targeting needing to be fixed, Darkrenown says:
You mean the weights on the titles? Why do you assume we haven't?
I take this as meaning the crusade targeting works properly in the upcoming patch, but you could take it as meaning they believe crusades work as intended in current version if you really just want to be mad.
 
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With all seriousness, though, I think Crusades, Jihads and all this kind of stuff should be only for certain areas. If they are all in control of that religion, then Crusade simply won´t be called.
Or, at the very least, neighboring areas like Egypt and Syria (which actually were historical targets for Crusades) should have priority over India and the Steppes.
 
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Found the source. This post from the most recent dev diary, in response to a complaint about crusade targeting needing to be fixed, Darkrenown says:

I take this as meaning the crusade targeting works properly in the upcoming patch, but you could take it as meaning they believe crusades work as intended in current version if you really just want to be mad.
Ah, thanks for that source, I'm slightly relieved now.
 
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Does it matter what kind of heathen you are killing in the lords name? Stop being a cravenly knave, call your levies,kiss your wife goodbye,mount your horse and take up arms for the glorious salvation of many thousands. Deus bloody vult.
 
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What exactly is the problem? A pre-emptive Crusade against Mongolia seems like a good idea to me.
 
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Please for the love of god and all that is holy, can you please try and fix the Crusades, Jihads, and Great Holy Wars in the next update Paradox? It's quite possibly the worst (or at least most immersion ruining) problem in the game at the moment IMO, when you have Crusades for India and Jihads for Scandinavia. Its just a little bit silly when this happens

Well historically speaking Crusades were never restricted to just the Land of all things Unholy in the Levant but usually these other Crusades were motivated by expanding Christianity and I remember there was a Crusade against the Cathars to, so wiping out any unpleasant heretics that threatened papal power was also up there for cause of Crusades.

However if there aren't any Christian nations near India, I might be able to see how this would be a bit unsettling, then again India has always historically been a rich and prosperous territory, I don't know if I was a medieval king of Britain and I saw how lavish the Indians were living I'd want to conquer them, and need I not remind you that the British Empire did consolidate India, and it had NO INTENTIONS of letting it go until Gandhi started his rabble. Now some might call Gandhi a legend, but really he was just as much politically motivated as anyone else, like the Dalai Lama of Tibet who wants to oust the Chinese and restore the theocracy!

The point I'm trying to make is that I can understand a Crusade or a Jihad of India, in fact India was at one time it's own sultanate and Islam became hugely popular there at the time. So I mean it's like how the Germanic tribes saw Rome, especially the Western half of the empire. Here this huge empire is, struggling to defend it's borders in the wake of Atilla and so there's just these huge relatively undefended swaths of land that are mostly owned by an oligarchy type society which everyone hates and the corrupt bureaucractic filth which it spread so you know they could either stay in their own lands fighting amongst petty chiefdoms or they could go live in relative harmony. Then again it may be more fair to say that it was only the weaker tribes who sought to do this, the more powerful tribes probably never had a need to go anywhere. Like the Langobards, after finally crushing the Gepids in Dacia/Romania/Hungary/Bulgaria/Croatia/Serbia/That Area the Avars show up on their doorstep and then the Romans either invited them or they migrated to Italy through force.

The Avars were basically Huns by the way. So once again another formidable power.
 
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This has been a longtime complaint. So hopefully next patch finally fixes this.
 

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Actually a big reason for the crusades was dealing with the overpopulation of europe.
Gavelkindand primogeniture created knights either landless or holding lands the size of a handkerchief.
1 crusade was pretty much let's go claim these fertile farmlands from the heathens while butchering or enslaving them so the idea of sending those landless knights all the weay to orissa may not be such a bad idea, not to mention that now the flower of christian armies is marching across heathen lands in shiny armors and lances as long as some trees are high, spreading the word of christ to the awed populace (with raping looting and killing for those who don't have become paragon ambition)
 
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Well historically speaking Crusades were never restricted to just the Land of all things Unholy in the Levant but usually these other Crusades were motivated by expanding Christianity and I remember there was a Crusade against the Cathars to, so wiping out any unpleasant heretics that threatened papal power was also up there for cause of Crusades.

However if there aren't any Christian nations near India, I might be able to see how this would be a bit unsettling, then again India has always historically been a rich and prosperous territory, I don't know if I was a medieval king of Britain and I saw how lavish the Indians were living I'd want to conquer them, and need I not remind you that the British Empire did consolidate India\
There's no way any Medieval realm would try to conquer a place as distant as India, no matter how rich and prosperous it supposedly was. It would simply be logistically impossible to move troops en mass from Western Europe, through Muslim-controlled Syria, Mesopotamia, and Persia, to India. The Goths and Germans conquered Rome because it was right there; the British conquest of India was a relatively slow process that was only achievable because the British had the naval power to move resources from Britain, or one of their many other colonies, to India; but, to a Medieval Catholic, India isn't right there, it's some far-off country east of the Muslim lands that they should be putting their attentions towards, and they sure don't have the naval capabilities to move troops their en mass all the over there. So a Crusade for Orissa, Mongolia, or any other far-off realm is definitely unrealistic, although I do agree that Crusades shouldn't be limited to just Jerusalem and Andalusia, just to places that Catholics could realistically conquer.
 
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There's no way any Medieval realm would try to conquer a place as distant as India, no matter how rich and prosperous it supposedly was. It would simply be logistically impossible to move troops en mass from Western Europe, through Muslim-controlled Syria, Mesopotamia, and Persia, to India. The Goths and Germans conquered Rome because it was right there; the British conquest of India was a relatively slow process that was only achievable because the British had the naval power to move resources from Britain, or one of their many other colonies, to India; but, to a Medieval Catholic, India isn't right there, it's some far-off country east of the Muslim lands that they should be putting their attentions towards, and they sure don't have the naval capabilities to move troops their en mass all the over there. So a Crusade for Orissa, Mongolia, or any other far-off realm is definitely unrealistic, although I do agree that Crusades shouldn't be limited to just Jerusalem and Andalusia, just to places that Catholics could realistically conquer.

Alexander did it.