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Originally posted by RedPhoenix
There were a lot more advanced nations in africa than in north america, in terms of trade atleast, and malay was a trader nation wasn't it? Also there was much trade in india :) I don't see how these relate directly to manhatta, as there was a lot less trade than in any of these. If any the trade in north america should be around the great rivers or in the north around the iroquis confederacy. There were some a bit larger "trader" nations more south and west in NA Too. Trade in north america is hardly comparable to any of the other areas with a COT in the game though.


Also point is Manhattan is officially out of the game, do we wan't to mod our game to be otherwise? If we include manhattan I vote we rise the trade value of persia too :) As this opens a lot more disucussion into modding the game further again.

Now if I am correct the West African trade went north by caravan not through Ivoria until the Europeans arrived.

The Inca and Aztec cot's no matter how advanced they may have been performed no function when European arrived face it, it was not the trade in llamas they were interested in.

Several European countries get Cot's far in away above their value while others are below value.

In the far east yes there was trade and yes it was of alot greater value than North America but as soon as the europeans arrive the value of several Cot's should evaporate as they are bypassed and undercut price wise by the cheaper and more efficent method of sea communication.

Yes i agree remove Manhatten to keep modding going but it was a mistake to just deal with it in isolation and the reasons for it's removal such as game balance are dubious when so many other factors have been overlooked for game balance when they are blatant and obivious.

It should take a large and determined effort that any nation outside of Portugal England Holland and Venice to be a colonial or seapower just like it would take a massive effort for any one of these nations to become a land power. This distinction is getting blurred but only in the one direction.
 
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Red it's not officially out of the game, it's just a beta. And if we keep Manhattan, and don't change things for this latest beta, it will make it easier for us to handle possible future betas. If we make changes for this one, we should change for future ones as well. It may one day put us in difficult situations, if justified changes comes up later on.
 

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There will be more betas. Each one will probably change things that hurt some players and help others. If we have to have a discussion about each one and try to mod the save file each time, it's going to be a pain.

I say leave it as is. We always play with the latest beta and we will all have to live with the consequences of any future change.
 

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Originally posted by Mowers
Quick note to say that I cant host tomorrow. Sorry.

And we are back to our hosting problem.:)
Well I check with Red today if hosting got any better.
 

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Perhaps we could try with Wyvern.
 

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Originally posted by ALDO
Do you have room for another player this wednesday? I heard you have had some problems with connections and such but a game this much revolving around the Holy Empire sounds is very appealing to me.

I would prefer to play a German state if I get the possibility to join. The bigger the better.

You could possibly sub Sweden. As he can´t come.
 

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By the way, is the Portuguese islands of Cape Verde supposed to be populated by (a colonial town of) pagan Senegambians?
 

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Got a second computer today. Hope someone can try it out with me if he works. Otherwise my old cpu is still on standby.

Problems are soon solved, Question is if EU2 works.
Also we need a standin for Sweden. I will try to organise someone.
 
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Update on AARs. Some very nice pieces already though we only played so few years! Hope Maur and BiB will drop something also hopefully.
 

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SPAIN AND PORTUGAL:

If the Pope decides that France is to be allowed to colonize a specific region otherwise covered by the Treaty of Tordesillas, will the players of Spain and Portugal accept and respect that (and not take the provinces from France by using the Tordesillas mechanics)?
 

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Well seems like XP doesn´t like EU2 MP. Either way I use the other computer so no problems here for now.

If Peter would however tell me what he has done to his xp configuration to make it work it would be great!
 

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Maur is missing sadly. So BB is being made non-player for now.
 

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Originally posted by RedPhoenix
Everyone please post here what times/days could make this week/next week. So we could maybe play to compensate for missing next wednesday.

When I get to work tomorrow, i'll check my schedule for this week/next and i'll answer asap. :)
 

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Originally posted by RedPhoenix
Everyone please post here what times/days could make this week/next week. So we could maybe play to compensate for missing next wednesday.


I can make:

this week:
Thursday anytime
Saturday anytime

next week anytime after 3pm CET on:
monday
wendesday
thursday
friday

saturday anytime

This week I could make Thursday evening. Next week probably any of the evenings Tuesday to Thursday would be ok after 7pm BST. I'm away all this weekend so Saturday is no good.
 

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Originally posted by Barnius
I could do it today at about the same time as yesterday.

The same applies for the next weak(Monday, Tuesday, ..., Thursday).

Tonight and Saturday would be fine with me also. Next week depends on my inter connection outside in the country.