I'm a big fan of Peter Ebbesen's modified 1492 scenario. It addresses things in the East exclusively however, don't expect miracles in regards to France, Spain, Austria, etc.
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If we're playing with HRE countries, Magdeburg certainly is not a minor issue. Brandenburg starting as the second biggest and most powerful HRE state is horribly wrong, in fact Brandenburg had hardly any influence during the 16th century, the most important HRE states were Saxony, the Palatinate and Bavaria until the reign of the Great Elector who really made Brandenburg a power to reckon with.
Going back to the starting army / navy set up, you will note that Venice is virtually the only country with a sizably bigger navy than it's support limit. Whilst this is just about manageable under the new maintenance costs, it becomes almost a crippling burden once the Veneto-Turkish conflict triggers, which virtually doubles the navy overnight. Perhaps Venice starting navy could be toned down a bit.
For example, Spain hasn´t any full developed city in the Caribbean by 1520, what is odd.
If France is thought to be so a menace, the only needed thing is to weaken her a bit for 10-20 years. In that time a well played Spain should have gained enough strenght to beat o,r at least contain her, even in a 1 vs 1 basis.
However, besides France being too strong the problem is the lack of desire of Spain or England to war the frenchies.
A nice addition to help this would be give England and Spain CB on France, so they haven´t to lose 2 stability. Nowadays France has CBs on both of them. In the early XVI century was thought to be a danger which had to be stopped, so that CB is not fantastic. Ferdinand, the Catholic King, did a lot of diplomacy and waged many wars against French.
However, besides France being too strong the problem is the lack of desire of Spain or England to war the frenchies.
A nice addition to help this would be give England and Spain CB on France, so they haven´t to lose 2 stability. Nowadays France has CBs on both of them. In the early XVI century was thought to be a danger which had to be stopped, so that CB is not fantastic. Ferdinand, the Catholic King, did a lot of diplomacy and waged many wars against French.
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Then send me sensible suggestions regarding France, Spain, Austria, &etc.
Some current PAoE 1.02 (1492) manpower figures (gain per year modified for population but not for dp-settings)
Denmark: 7.00
England: 12.00
France: 30.25
Habsburg: 8.50
Hungary: 5.75
Lithuania: 17.25
Muscowy: 17.00
Ottomans: 29.25
Poland: 9.75
Spain: 23.00
Sweden: 6.00
Venice: 7.00
(Note that no matter the actual value, the least you receive is 12,000 men/year)
As anyone can see, the Polish figure is quite low and the Muscowy figure incredibly high (compared to the territory controlled), but that is nothing new.
One might consider instead of having a Polish player, to have a Lithuanian player who would then change to control Poland upon the union of Lublin.
TerribleOriginally posted by Peter Ebbesen
Then send me sensible suggestions regarding France, Spain, Austria, &etc.
Some current PAoE 1.02 (1492) manpower figures (gain per year modified for population but not for dp-settings)
Denmark: 7.00 0.9
England: 12.00 3.75
France: 30.25 12
Habsburg: 8.50 2(Austria proper)
Hungary: 5.75 2.5?
Lithuania: 17.25 4.5
Muscowy: 17.00 7
Ottomans: 29.25 9 (28 with Egypt&all
Poland: 9.75 4
Spain: 23.00 6.5 (Spain proper)
Sweden: 6.00 0.7
Venice: 7.00 (no idea. Whole Italy is 10mln, hard to guess Crete, Cyprus, and the coast)
(Note that no matter the actual value, the least you receive is 12,000 men/year)
As anyone can see, the Polish figure is quite low and the Muscowy figure incredibly high (compared to the territory controlled), but that is nothing new.
One might consider instead of having a Polish player, to have a Lithuanian player who would then change to control Poland upon the union of Lublin.
Poland was stronger in the union, the setup is just incorrectI've put some population figures, in millions(approximate in few cases) figures for comparison. Although the problem is, those figures are from 1500, and manpower is for whole period (and Russia population density grew much faster than French or Italian for example)
Problem is the population figures don´t help us really. Because how efficient a state could use his manpower potential is another problem. Also the main problem was money not manpower which is just not simulated enough.
Well, the huge Polish/Lithuanian disparity is my fault because I gave them both Ruthenian in 1492 - and Lithuania has rather more Ruthenian provinces. Before I did that, it was rather smaller.Originally posted by DarthMaur
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I am still not sure that staying with the true population figures are a good approach to determining base manpower, since the manpower both determines the gain per year and the supportable army limit, and since they are scaled rather arbitrarily (0.25, 0.50, and 0.75 at respectively <20,001, <200,001, a >=200,001 for provincial main city population)
I am heavily against ruthenian culture for Poland. They had heavy problems in the region with those Cossacks due the polish registry of all cossacks whereas Lithuania left them alone for the most part.
Yes, I really wanted to give it to them as a result of the union with Lithuania. However, as that would have required an event, and the PAoE is a setup that can be used without mods, I deemed it best to give it to them from the beginning.
It is akin to how the Habsburgs start with several cultures that are not even within their territory at the time, with the sole justificiation that they will come to govern such people later. A better depiction would be granting them the cultures in the inheritance events, but, lacking that, having it from the start is an acceptable solution.
Its as appropriate as Magyar or Czech for Austria
Btw, Lithuania didn't have problems with Cossacks, because there weren't any when Ukraine was still part of Grand Duchy.
As a big fan of the naval warfare, I would (one more time!) suggest the opposite: rise Venice support limit.
I think naval support limit still needs some adjustments, just to ensure naval countries to have larger support limit than less naval ones.
The biggest problem is in my opinion relation of the naval support limit with the manpower. That gives France advantage on England or Spain that isn’t realistic. Perhaps the influence of manpower could be lower, and you could add the relation to naval/land DP slider?
Or/and just adapt some weights in the current model. I would add more weight on shipyards (20?) and naval manufactories (20?), because they are expensive investments, and currently are not worth much more than simple ports. Cut the weight of manpower and set economical influence the same as for land units (now it’s half of it).
Hopefully this makes sense and isn’t impossible to apply.
Thanks Johan
Originally posted by DarthMaur
Its as appropriate as Magyar or Czech for Austria
Btw, Lithuania didn't have problems with Cossacks, because there weren't any when Ukraine was still part of Grand Duchy.
Did I forgot to say that I am against that too?
Imo after 1619 they should only hold on czech culture if they don´t throw protestants out.
And Magyar only with Maria Theresia.
Much better would be slavonic culture as the Croats and the Slowens were much better integrated in the Habsburg empire.
I'm really not a big important person in EU2, so I don't know most of you (other than knowing who you are) but could I play some North African nation (Algiers? Tunisia?). I would want to play the Mamelukes except for the OE would massacre me with their sultans....
[edit] whoops, 7:00 pm gmt? unfortunately I am not available then
[edit] whoops, 7:00 pm gmt? unfortunately I am not available then
Ok Guys!
I am in for a restart as the game is quite a mess. If enough of you think otherwise plz post here otherwise we will restart with the latest patch from Johan on Wednesday. Countries will be out soon.
I am in for a restart as the game is quite a mess. If enough of you think otherwise plz post here otherwise we will restart with the latest patch from Johan on Wednesday. Countries will be out soon.
This time we will distribute countries by a new system:
Everyone gives me 5 countries sorted by how he wants it:
for example me:
1) England
2) Spain
3) Austria
4) Portugal
5) Brandenburg.
We will play with latest patch and reduced army sizes and Pe´s mod.
And for the ones where both have equal settings I will roll a dice.
Everyone gives me 5 countries sorted by how he wants it:
for example me:
1) England
2) Spain
3) Austria
4) Portugal
5) Brandenburg.
We will play with latest patch and reduced army sizes and Pe´s mod.
And for the ones where both have equal settings I will roll a dice.
ok mine are:
1) Mughals
2) Persia
3) Sweden
4) Venice
5) Denmark
[Edit]ok so I changed my mind[/Edit]
1) Mughals
2) Persia
3) Sweden
4) Venice
5) Denmark
[Edit]ok so I changed my mind
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1.Netherlands
2.Poland (and switch to nether when they form)
3.Sweden
4.England
5.OE
2.Poland (and switch to nether when they form)
3.Sweden
4.England
5.OE