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Barnius said:
TREATY OF DELAWARE

Venice Sells her Eastern Seaboard to England

Upon Spanish repeated requests for the explanation of the purpose of Venetian trading posts on the North American eastern seaboard, Venice accepted the fact that she was not rich enough to colonize the area herself, especially not now, faced with the Ottoman aggression in Mediterranean. Therefore it was decided to honor Spanish and Popes wishes and sell five Venetian trading posts to Spanish ally England.

~1~
Venice sells trading posts of Roanoke, Chesapeake, Massachusetts, Micmac and Bas St. Laurent to England.

~2~
Venice sells maps of provinces of Massachusetts, Micmac and Bas St. Laurent to England.

~3~
280 d transferred from English treasury to Venetian treasury.

Franco Donato, Doge of the Serenissima Republic of Venice

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For editing:

- 103, 111, 113 added to English knownprovinces list
- trading posts 64, 68, 103, 111, 113 from Venice to England
- 280 d from English treasury to Venetian one (will be available after England-Portugal deal is settled)

Can we swap, sell, edit, ... limited map knowledge like that?
 

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Barnius said:
Sorry to hear that :(

Let the deal stand for now, untill I talk to the new player for England. If we find one, it looks like we are in a SERIOUS problems.

Well, I know someone who wants to play Holland, so if KJ wants to take over England (at least it is similar to Holland and nothing like Austria) we can sort this problem out right now?
 

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BiB said:
If merged, I will play and alter my strategy to suit such a united Empire, re-establishment later is not an option in that case.

Wait a minute here... if this merger means that Austria will never ever again be set free, then I change my stance to being in opposition for sure. ;)

I feel that Spain and Austria should be seperated again in 1700, at the very latest. They should most certainly not stay merged for the rest of the game - especially not if we play into the 19th century...
 

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Russian Czar accepts the new mission from the God, despite on 2 pages of the flood, that he has just had to try to read :D
 

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Hive said:
Wait a minute here... if this merger means that Austria will never ever again be set free, then I change my stance to being in opposition for sure. ;)

I feel that Spain and Austria should be seperated again in 1700, at the very latest. They should most certainly not stay merged for the rest of the game - especially not if we play into the 19th century...

Find a good perm then :D

I am not going to get stuck with a Spain that will be shit because I had to also take on Austria along for a bit.
 

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hmm, kindergarten rules. Last time i heard about 3-5 conflicts between players "i won`t play in the game with him". Rather not wise. Crash your bastard if you hate him so much.
 

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BiB said:
Find a good perm then :D

I am not going to get stuck with a Spain that will be shit because I had to also take on Austria along for a bit.

I don't understand why you think Spain will be shit because of the extra manpower and stuff, but eh...

Well I just think that it would ruin the war of Spanish Succession completely if Spain and Austria is one nation. And it would ruin lots of stuff later on as well.
 
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Well I just think that it would ruin the war of Spanish Succession completely if Spain and Austria is one nation. And it would ruin lots of stuff later on as well.

If we merge Spain and Austria, we effectively have a new nation in the game. Historical events which are going to fire 150 years later, specifically about one of the old countries, don't really have a place anymore. Our in-game situation differs then too much from real history.

In other words: If we merge Spain and Austria to the Habsburg Empire, some historical events, like the Spanish succession, will be removed or altered. We're afterall going to play an alternative history, with an united Habsburg Empire.
 
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Hive said:
I don't understand why you think Spain will be shit because of the extra manpower and stuff, but eh...

Well I just think that it would ruin the war of Spanish Succession completely if Spain and Austria is one nation. And it would ruin lots of stuff later on as well.

Well, with a merged empire I have to follow a distinctive more continental oriented approach with corresponding dp slider settings. Then all of a sudden I just have to give up the continental part like that and get stuck with a Spain which is suited to rule an merged empire, not a Spain alone. And I bet you will let me keep all teh inflation and all too, despite me having in part shit dp settings because of new Austrian events I will be getting? And so on.

Hey, England is catholic and France could very well go reformed, the Russian bear will arrive a lot sooner, Venice is a colonial nation, ... It's very different from history but I'd hardly call it ruinous to the game.
 

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FAL said:
For colonies definately. I am not so fond of swap deals for European provinces, since those did not change hands so easily in those times.

I'm not talking about the swapping of colonies, but about the limited exchanging of map knowledge?
 

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So we now miss

england
denmark
sweden
saxony
austria

anyone else thinking what im thinkin? restart...