Destiny: A historical RPG campaign

[Hive]

Also, maybe an Bavaria merged with austria, with Bavarian tag and Austrian leaders/events also is an option?
Ahistorical maybe, but it might convince cheecho to do this

Eh... please, no. That would, imo, be too silly and not suited for a nice RP game like this.

In other words: if he plays Austria, he needs to be able to play from start to finish.

Agreed.

 

[unmerged(18425)]

BTW Fal can i have a decent mission please. You keep giving me shit ones. How about one of those nice protestant conversion ones. They rule.

Do I have to take this comment serious or not?

 

[Fredrik82]

A merged Austria-Spain might be more historical, but a merged Austria-Bavaria is better gamewise, and i suppose it would be better RP wise aswell in the long term.

 

[Fredrik82]

Eh... please, no. That would, imo, be too silly and not suited for a nice RP game like this..

Of course the far best option would be to move cheecho to Austria then,
but i suspect that cheech doesnt like that...

 

[BiB]

Also, maybe an Bavaria merged with austria, with Bavarian tag and Austrian leaders/events also is an option?

Then he might as wel play Austria.

 

[Hive]

A merged Austria-Spain might be more historical, but a merged Austria-Bavaria is better gamewise, and i suppose it would be better RP wise aswell in the long term.

I disagree. I think letting BiB play both Habsburgs will be grand for RP, as he's like The Unofficial World Champion of EU2 RP.

 

[BiB]

I disagree. I think letting BiB play both Habsburgs will be grand for RP, as he's like The Unofficial World Champion of EU2 RP.

Euhm, well, I definitely find this a very intriguing concept, would love to play it and would do it well too but as I said I'm all for finding a perm for Austria as it's definitely the best thing (2 players are stronger than one anyway btw if the strength thing is an issue), but "solutions" that are actually worse isn't what I would call the way to go.

Finding a perm somewhere seems to be quite an elusive mission, it has failed for weeks now. We do have however a player that is really interested in the HRE who happens to be in an expendable nation right now and who is constantly complaining about the lack of Imperial leadership and his lack of resources. Now it comes down to whether he wants to do it.

 

[Fredrik82]

I disagree. I think letting BiB play both Habsburgs will be grand for RP, as he's like The Unofficial World Champion of EU2 RP.

Maybe so, but he could never take a german players place like Bavaria could.
He would be less willing to expand (i presume, because he kinda got alot of other things to worry about ) in germany-balcan-Poland, and it would be alot harder for him to defend the german land as Austria did historicly.

Now BiB is probably an awesome player, but he cant be everywhere at the same time. Not even an forum Administrator handles that

 

[Fredrik82]

Also, a Habsburg empire like this would probably loose ground in the new world aswell, fall behind in colonisation etc, as they are probably forced to go land. no?

 

[BiB]

Maybe so, but he could never take a german players place like Bavaria could.
He would be less willing to expand (i presume, because he kinda got alot of other things to worry about ) in germany-balcan-Poland, and it would be alot harder for him to defend the german land as Austria did historicly.

Now BiB is probably an awesome player, but he cant be everywhere at the same time. Not even an forum Administrator handles that

Pffft, before I could be attacked simultaneously in Spain, South Italy, the Netherlands, North Africa, South America, Middle America and North America. So Germany gets added, big deal. What if I also colonise the Filippines?

If I have to defend against an attack from 5 nations, it's not like it gets considerably harder just because I have a few more provs in an extra place to defend, it'd be a bitch defending against 5 even if I had just the one nicely undivided piece of land.

And also, the downfall of Spain was caused because it had too many theatres

 

[BiB]

Also, a Habsburg empire like this would probably loose ground in the new world aswell, fall behind in colonisation etc, as they are probably forced to go land. no?

If your concern with this change is me, my sanity and my nation, then don't worry, I'm up for it

 

[Hive]

Maybe so, but he could never take a german players place like Bavaria could.

Why not?

He would be less willing to expand (i presume, because he kinda got alot of other things to worry about ) in germany-balcan-Poland, and it would be alot harder for him to defend the german land as Austria did historicly.

Well I, for one, would love to have an Austria who doesn't expand in Germany like a madman for once. So I don't see that as a bad thing. And why wouldn't he be able to defend the HRE properly? At any rate, he have his sidekick, Bavaria, to help him.

Now BiB is probably an awesome player, but he cant be everywhere at the same time. Not even an forum Administrator handles that

Sure he can.

Also, a Habsburg empire like this would probably loose ground in the new world aswell, fall behind in colonisation etc, as they are probably forced to go land. no?

I don't see why. Sure, going full naval is perhaps not be best idea then - but I don't think he would do that anyway.

But all in all, I too agree that it would be better to find a perm for Austria. However, FAL have tried that for quite a while now without luck. It's time to find a permanent solution; and one that works better than having the perhaps single most important nation in an RP game subbed every session.

King John clearly doesn't want to play them, and shouldn't be forced to then. Nothing good will come of that. Robertus could play them, no problem - but only if he can play the full session. And we'd still need a perm player for Poland in that case.

And like BiB, I too find it odd to have Bavaria and Saxony played with AI in Poland-Lithuania...

 

[BiB]

An OE can be active in West Africa, North Africa, the Balkans, the general Mediterranean area, the Caucasus, the Arabian peninsula, Persia and East Africa and India and ... Your OE at least is trying to be active in as many theatres as possible (and succeeding nicely so far, I have to say), why would that be so impossible for Spain?

 

[Fredrik82]

Well I, for one, would love to have an Austria who doesn't expand in Germany like a madman for once. So I don't see that as a bad thing. And why wouldn't he be able to defend the HRE properly? At any rate, he have his sidekick, Bavaria, to help him.

Yes, but austria did expand in other directions aswell, mostly balcans and in some parts Italy and Poland.

But all in all, I too agree that it would be better to find a perm for Austria. However, FAL have tried that for quite a while now without luck. It's time to find a permanent solution; and one that works better than having the perhaps single most important nation in an RP game subbed every session.

King John clearly doesn't want to play them, and shouldn't be forced to then. Nothing good will come of that. Robertus could play them, no problem - but only if he can play the full session. And we'd still need a perm player for Poland in that case.

And like BiB, I too find it odd to have Bavaria and Saxony played with AI in Poland-Lithuania...

I agree, i'm only trying to be realistic, a habsburg empire like this will affect lots of things, you need to realise that aswell. But this is of course better in any case then a subbed/AI Austria.

I have asked some players myself, and im confident that we will find a new perm out there.

 

[Hive]

Yes, but austria did expand in other directions aswell, mostly balcans and in some parts Italy and Poland.

Why wouldn't BiB try that?

I have asked some players myself, and im confident that we will find a new perm out there.

Remember to check with FAL before announcing a new player, though. He must have FAL's Seal of Approval.

And the deadline for finding a new player is saturday at 12:00 CET - since the editing for merging these 2 fine nations takes time, and shouldn't be done in haste.

And remember: we don't just need any player, we need a player who's willing to RP. Because Austria is the center of much of this game's RP.

 

[unmerged(11031)]

I need to talk with you on ICQ about this then.

If you are unhappy with Poland, moving to Austria is of course an option. But it leaves us with no player for Poland.

I'm not on ICQ for a few more days, what with not being at home.

And I am not unhappy with Poland, It's just a hell of a challenge holding back the tide as it were.

(One on One I cannot hold back Russia)

Besides Austria is way more important then Poland

 

[King John]

What if we merged Portugal with Poland or Austria? Hive would have to pretend he was two countries, not a united empire like the Hapsburgs, and it could cause complications like Portugal using Poland's MP to invade England. But perhaps it could work. At least BiB's attention span wouldn't be constantly stretched so far, and Aus-Port never have conflicting interests, which isn't always the case with Spa-Aus.


I feel like I would be wasting my time if I played Austria again; I seem to always end up playing it. I think my doing so here wouldn't make our situation much better also, since we would just need to find a Dutch player after that. That is, unless finding a Holland perm is easier than one for Austria. But even if that is true, it would seem a little unfair for me to move so that another guy can take Holland.

 

[unmerged(11031)]

Also on another note.

I can do full sessions, but I can only do 19:00 till 23:00. Going past that time isn't really good for me. And if we change times, I do need to know more then half an hour before start time.

And I would like to play as Austria, because then I can complain at BiB for not giving Ferdinand more resources.

 

[Fredrik82]

An OE can be active in West Africa, North Africa, the Balkans, the general Mediterranean area, the Caucasus, the Arabian peninsula, Persia and East Africa and India and ... Your OE at least is trying to be active in as many theatres as possible (and succeeding nicely so far, I have to say), why would that be so impossible for Spain?

I'm sure you would do a good job, and it would certinly work out in the end.
But Austrias roll is indeed very importent, therefore it is of course preferable to have them played. Thats what i think we should focus on now till saturday, and keep this Habsburg empire idea as a stand in alternative till then.

 

[Hive]

What if we merged Portugal with Poland or Austria? Hive would have to pretend he was two countries, not a united empire like the Hapsburgs, and it could cause complications like Portugal using Poland's MP to invade England. But perhaps it could work. At least BiB's attention span wouldn't be constantly stretched so far, and Aus-Port never have conflicting interests, which isn't always the case with Spa-Aus.

Heh. Well that would be... weird. From a historical point of view, it would be totally wacked. But of course, some RP background story with an inheritance could be made for the occation.

I'm not exactly eager to do this, but I could do it. I still think BiB controlling both Habsburg nations would make more sense - but I'd prefer almost any merging solution as opposed to running a nation AI or subbed for the rest of the game...

Merging Portugal with another nation brings up some complications, though: how on earth can I, as full naval, be expected to fight off Russia and Brandenburg?

I feel like I would be wasting my time if I played Austria again; I seem to always end up playing it.

Yeah, and that's why I'm strongly against making you play Austria again.