"Desires your provinces" should be nerfed.

[DaDerpyDude]

I hate how no matter how good your relations with a country are you get the Desires your provinces relations hit. I am particularily angry about this because now, i won a war with my ally japan in which they even gave me a province, they are friendly and i have 50+ relations and then suddenly they want 12 of my provinces, get a -200 relations with me, brake the allience and turn hostile... And it's not like i am much weaker than them, with my other allies i could defeat them. I'm not sure if it's un-realistic to back stab you like that, i'm not asking for complete removal of it, but just nerf it, so things like this happen less often.

 

[Danfish77]

Your specific example doesn't sound very convincing (+50 is pretty close to neutral). It's also pretty realistic for a nation to back-stab its friends for its own gain, especially for more warlike nations like Japan.

 

[DaDerpyDude]

Your specific example doesn't sound very convincing (+50 is pretty close to neutral). It's also pretty realistic for a nation to back-stab its friends for its own gain, especially for more warlike nations like Japan.

How can you explain they desire non core/claim, border or japanese culture provinces though?

 

[Fluffy_Fishy]

I don't think it should be nerfed but there should be some kind of realistic change to how much a country might want a bordering province, perhaps scaled to development or something. I don't see it as a huge problem but its certainly something that needs addressing at some point. It just needs better scale.

 

[ShadowCammy]

I think it should be the opposite. If they want your provinces, they should either be domineering or hostile, like real life. It would make sense. You wouldn't want to ally someone you want to take land from, would you?

 

[Maq]

From the gameplay point, I suspect Japan has picked new mission, or the new monarch has ai_personality militarist.
From the historical point, such diplomatic turns happened quite often in all periods of the game. Good diplomacy often could avoid many undesired events, but chance was important as well.
The general point is this: If you are a statesman, you cannot afford to be generous to other powers. What is considered cynism in common life is wisdom in diplomacy.
So Japan turned her back towards you? That's the result of the fact that Japanese ruler and government work for Japan, not for you.

 

[wraithstalke]

That, and the wants your provinces modifier is the end of an alliance, unless they have a diplomatic monarch.

 

[Metal_Izanagi]

I hate how no matter how good your relations with a country are you get the Desires your provinces relations hit. I am particularily angry about this because now, i won a war with my ally japan in which they even gave me a province, they are friendly and i have 50+ relations and then suddenly they want 12 of my provinces, get a -200 relations with me, brake the allience and turn hostile... And it's not like i am much weaker than them, with my other allies i could defeat them. I'm not sure if it's un-realistic to back stab you like that, i'm not asking for complete removal of it, but just nerf it, so things like this happen less often.

I'm with you on this one. Regardless of how "realistic" it might be, it's rather silly that right after a war in which you and your ally worked together, they turn on you because they want what you took in the war. MAYBE if they had claims before the war, and definitely if you took a core of theirs, but just because it's on the border? No. That's pretty...dumb, to be quite honest.

What the AI should do is consider how powerful their ally is, how helpful they've been over the years, etc. No sane statesman would turn their back on an extremely powerful ally that could easily become a massive problem for them if they were to dishonor their alliance in such a manner.(Well, not unless they were going out of their way to get their own country annihilated by their former ally.) At very least, breaking alliances in that manner should give the country that broke the alliance relations penalties with anyone that didn't hate the country that they turned their back on. They should be considered untrustworthy scum for turning on an ally so soon after a war, too.