Design bug?

[unmerged(57426)]

I have discovered (I'm sure I'm not the only one) what I take to be a design bug.

As Germany in the GC I conquered Republican Spain after Vichy (Republcian Spain seems to always win the SCW.)

After I annex Republican Spain, I think to myself...'crap, I don't want to waste valuable resources and men holding this down.'

*Poof* A light buld appears above my head. The only reason I need to conquer Spain at all is because I'm worried that the Republican government will ally with the allies, and be a pain in the butt later. I'll liberate and turn Spain into Nationalist Spain.

But first, I think, wow I can create the Basque homeland!. I do this, for more or less RPing purposes in my own head, then attempt to liberate Nationalist Spain.

Just then I notice I no longer have the option to create Nationalist Spain! Instead, my only option is to liberate 'Republican Spain.' I don't want Republican Spain! I wanted Nationalist Spain.

I went ahead and liberated Republican Spain. So now I have a National Socialist Republican Spain puppet.

This makes no sense to me, anyone else feel this way?


-S

 

[Mork]

Nationalist Spain have different "needed cores" (and, no, it ain't a bug).
If you give that away, they won't work for you. Just like if you take Scotland and Wales and set them free, then it won't be the UK that you can release, but England.

 

[unmerged(57426)]

I QA video games for a living, so I have a different take. I don't think its a bug, like the game is incorrectly functioning. I just think that it is a bug by faulty design (and Paradox usually doesn't have these.)

I don't think that if a NS Germany ever liberates Spain, it should be anything but Nationalist Spain.

Just my take.

-S

 

[Pablius]

I´m not completly familiar with the details of those years in particulary, but what i know (I´m an argentinean with some basque ancestors from my mother´s side) is this:

Basque ppl and culture were represed to some extent during Franco´s ruling, as all other nationalities in what we call Spain, like the catalans...The vision of the nationalist didn´t allow for this nationalities to be given autonomy, much less their own country...

That is why i think Paradox is correct to prevent the creation of a "nationalist spain" ruled by Franco if you create a Basque state or a Catalan state first...but you should be able to create a "friendly" spain anyway...one with a goverment close to Germany...

I don´t know if it is a bug or is working as intended...maybe someone with a better knowledge of the history may enlight you...but AFAIK is consistent

 

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I'm sure it is working as intended. My only gripe is that this shouldn't be intended.

And any Spain that is National Socialist, well, would be Nationalist.

 

[Darth Tracid]

definately WAD. I am almost 100% sure A nationalist spain would NOT have tolerated an independent basque nation....

 

[Pablius]

I'm sure it is working as intended. My only gripe is that this shouldn't be intended.

And any Spain that is National Socialist, well, would be Nationalist.

I´m quite sure that "basque nationalist" or "catalan nationalist" would be your best friends...but "spanish nationalist" would turn on you

Anyway, maybe next time we should be able to put the frontiers where we want and name countries whatever we want...but whithin the constraints of the system I think the current solution is consistent with history...but again, maybe someone with all the details might enlight us all further

 

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That is accurate.

Historically, the puppets liberate by the nazi were nothing but just fake government put in place to avoid direct problem with local population, and also give something to pretend to the international community.

Historically also, The Caudillo succeed to kepp Spain united because he did not took side during WWII.

Historically also, The Fuhrer got more problem from his own major allieds than from the minor one : Croatia or Slovaquia were not bothering him much, but Mussolini, and with some extend Hungrian and Romaninan government were more difficult to manipulate.

So , if the nazi went in Spain and kicked the Rep Spain, they would certainly not install a 'Pig headed' as Franco in powere but more recreate the galaxy of the numerous spanish kingdom : Basques (Navarra) Catalogna, CAstille, eventually Leon, following the old rule of divide to reign.

Never people on the nationalist side would have accepted it, I mean the generals.

So the design of the liberate spain can be not satifactory, but it's coherent. Maybe in the case described, the name Republican Spain should be keeped , but Franco would be the HOG and HOS (Franco was not a royalist, should have certainly accepted without problem to be the 'President - liberateur a vie' (Ange PAtasse title) of a Republican Spain. But it should also implay bad relation btw Euskady and Spain.

 

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My opinion is a "National" Socialist Spain should be nationalist. And historically speaking, if Hitler had conquered a Republican Spain and said to the Nationalists, I'm going to give you back your country, minus the basques, I believe they would have said, "sure! Thanks!"

What other choice would they have had?

-S

That is accurate.

Historically, the puppets liberate by the nazi were nothing but just fake government put in place to avoid direct problem with local population, and also give something to pretend to the international community.

Historically also, The Caudillo succeed to kepp Spain united because he did not took side during WWII.

Historically also, The Fuhrer got more problem from his own major allieds than from the minor one : Croatia or Slovaquia were not bothering him much, but Mussolini, and with some extend Hungrian and Romaninan government were more difficult to manipulate.

So , if the nazi went in Spain and kicked the Rep Spain, they would certainly not install a 'Pig headed' as Franco in powere but more recreate the galaxy of the numerous spanish kingdom : Basques (Navarra) Catalogna, CAstille, eventually Leon, following the old rule of divide to reign.

Never people on the nationalist side would have accepted it, I mean the generals.

So the design of the liberate spain can be not satifactory, but it's coherent. Maybe in the case described, the name Republican Spain should be keeped , but Franco would be the HOG and HOS (Franco was not a royalist, should have certainly accepted without problem to be the 'President - liberateur a vie' (Ange PAtasse title) of a Republican Spain. But it should also implay bad relation btw Euskady and Spain.

 

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I do agree about it

Could you please just precise what you are calling nationalist Spain? Phallangist? Monarchist, and if yes please be kind to precise wich political familly (I think it was 2)? Facist? Nazist like?

It's sure Hitler who have found a 'Seyss Inquar' or a Tiso to run a a fake nationalist government, even if that government would have only a part of Madrid. But I do not think it was the original idea nor the wish of people like Franco, who were true nationalist, best figured in the game as PigHeaded Isolationist And thos people, as namely Franco, never had a real political party to back them up, but were supported by a galaxy of small or very small political parties all with various or opposed hidden agenda.

So yes, if Germany have attacked Spain, people would have to do what Germany have decide. But it would have no correspondence with reality. And in real Franco never considered any minority, on the ground Spain should stand unit (in my born place that is an old spanish city, people usually spell it with the plural form : Espagnes due the fact historically Spain was the personnal reunion of several independant fiefdoms).