Denmark problems and ways to fix them.

[huyderman]

Then you haven't been listening. There are plenty of people in sweden who find it odd that the country grouping scandinavia should include denmark.

That must be a Swedish thing then, because I've never heard anyone here in Norway express that sentiment. But then, Norway and Denmark are probably better friends than Sweden and Denmark.

 

[Haccoude]

That must be a Swedish thing then, because I've never heard anyone here in Norway express that sentiment.

Suspected it. Don't know how much ribbing I can do in this thread, but let's just say that I'm not suprised that Sweden has people who don't know what Scandinavia is.

 

[Admiral Fisker]

Well those of who actually live on the scandinavian peninsula may not agree. Estonia has no doubt that it's a nordic country, but the other nordics do. Denmark may feel part of scandinavia but do the Swedes and norwegians agree?

Some Swedish people might feel that Denmark isn't a part of Scandinavia, but that doesn't change the fact that Denmark is a part of it. If I felt that Sweden wasn't a part of Scandinavia, would that change the fact that it is?

 

[Dr. B]

That must be a Swedish thing then, because I've never heard anyone here in Norway express that sentiment. But then, Norway and Denmark are probably better friends than Sweden and Denmark.

Yep, anyone grown up in Norway would answer that Denmark, Sweden and Norway are the brother countries called Scandinavia. (Strangely Iceland is not in that definition)

The North is the above + Iceland and Finland.
(Estonia must be a new thing, though understandable considering their recent independence. Not so far-fetched, they are probably coser to Finland and Sweden than the other neighbours.)

The geographical landmass "the scandinavian peninsula" is Norway and Sweden, and also the source of confusion regarding Denmarks inclusion in the term Scandinavia.

 

[The kalrSalian]

umm no one I know has ever considered Denmark to not be Scandinavia. Sure there is a playfull rivalry beetwen us swedes and danes but I have never ever met anybody seriously not considering danes as a part of the nordic/scandinavian culturual sphere or geography.

 

[TheDungen]

That must be a Swedish thing then, because I've never heard anyone here in Norway express that sentiment. But then, Norway and Denmark are probably better friends than Sweden and Denmark.

Ya think? Yeah of course norway would want denmark in scandinavia, they don't want to be alone with sweden.

 

[TheDungen]

Some Swedish people might feel that Denmark isn't a part of Scandinavia, but that doesn't change the fact that Denmark is a part of it. If I felt that Sweden wasn't a part of Scandinavia, would that change the fact that it is?

Again the country grouping generally includes denmark the geographical region the scandinavian peninsula does not. I don't really care about the country grouping, considering it leaves out several nordic countries I have a lot more love for than denmark and norway. I wish we'd all just stop using the term scandinavia (when not refering to the peninsula alltogether). I don't consider myself scandinavian I consider myself swedish nordic and european.

 

[TheDungen]

Yep, anyone grown up in Norway would answer that Denmark, Sweden and Norway are the brother countries called Scandinavia. (Strangely Iceland is not in that definition)

The North is the above + Iceland and Finland.
(Estonia must be a new thing, though understandable considering their recent independence. Not so far-fetched, they are probably coser to Finland and Sweden than the other neighbours.)

The geographical landmass "the scandinavian peninsula" is Norway and Sweden, and also the source of confusion regarding Denmarks inclusion in the term Scandinavia.

Well actually I recently heard that 10% of finnlands land area is on the scandinavian peninsula.

 

[TheDungen]

umm no one I know has ever considered Denmark to not be Scandinavia. Sure there is a playfull rivalry beetwen us swedes and danes but I have never ever met anybody seriously not considering danes as a part of the nordic/scandinavian culturual sphere or geography.

Well perhaps you live further away from them, down here in scania, we kind of get... irritated for real when they get bossy with us. Greater Copenhagen area indeed.

 

[Atlantians]

From the current internal version we're working on for 1.14..

- Sweden and Denmark no longer starts our as historical rivals.
- Scandinavian Constitution now gives lots of power to denmark, and then creates a rivalry between Sweden and Denmark.
- Skåne, Halland & Blekinge are no longer swedish cores from the start.
- Denmark is now slightly richer at start.

Somebody must have annexed Johan's account...

 

[TheDungen]

New people I assume? Because that would a reinterpretation of what Scandinavia is, since the classical definition has always included Denmark.

The classical dfinition is the geographical peninsula which does not include denmark. The concept of the country grouping scandinavia is a marketing thing, at it shows up as sweden starts tryign to belong to western europe post the world wars. Culturally of course (aside from lingually) we're much closer related to eastern europe, just look at the culinary culture (a good indication because there is less cultural interventionism in culinary culture than in lingual).

 

[TheDungen]

For the off-topic:


(Hopefully the video does work but not entirely sure...)

Isn't that that the singer from Arkona aren't they russian?

 

[TheDungen]

Any country apart of the Nordic Council is Nordic...All agree?

Would that include the non voting member such as Estonia Latvia and Lithuania?

 

[TheDungen]

ITT: Overly nationalistic people.

Nah nationalistic would mean pro sweden I'm just anti denmark. Or If I'm to be totally fair mostly anti Copenhagen, they're a pushy lot. Almost as pushy as the suits up in stockholm.

 

[TheDungen]

Bavarians are Germans, just like Flemish people are Dutch.

EDIT: I agree that this is an exceptionally civilized thread, since most Denmark-Sweden threads end up as flamewars about which country was better. Well, they can fight until someone owns both sides of the öresund, intervention is needed then.

This is after the mods culled it.

 

[radiatoren]

The classical dfinition is the geographical peninsula which does not include denmark. The concept of the country grouping scandinavia is a marketing thing, at it shows up as sweden starts tryign to belong to western europe post the world wars. Culturally of course (aside from lingually) we're much closer related to eastern europe, just look at the culinary culture (a good indication because there is less cultural interventionism in culinary culture than in lingual).

Well, as the Kalmar Union signifies, a common "Scandinavia" was a thing at the beginning of the game. The country grouping seems to have an undeniable historical basis and afaik the beginning of the unity marketing was a real thing borne by art and culture at the start of the 1800's with the Kalmar Union as the template. Culturally, Denmark (and by proxy Iceland, Norway and the semiautonomous nations) and Sweden (and by proxy Finland and the semiautonomous nation(s)) are related for good or bad both historically, culturally and politically. Now, tsariate Russia and the baltics are related to Scandinavia and particularly Estonia for historical reasons, but the relation there has always been of a far less political dimension.

As for Copenhagen being bossy, I think most people in Denmark outside of Copenhagen would agree. We have a discussion about "the rotten banana", which is basically anything outside a 50 km radius of Copenhagen and it is borne by a massive centralisation of power away from regions and communities towards the national assembly and beyond since the 1990's, but that is off topic.

 

[Atlantians]

Easy answer:

Sweden and Norway are "Scandinavia."

Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, and Finland are "Scandinavian."

Problem solved. Case closed.

 

[Retherz]

Bavarians are Germans, just like Flemish people are Dutch.

EDIT: I agree that this is an exceptionally civilized thread, since most Denmark-Sweden threads end up as flamewars about which country was better. Well, they can fight until someone owns both sides of the öresund, intervention is needed then.

idd just like french people are walloons

 

[ThePatriotOfDreumel]

idd just like french people are walloons

Don't you know Brussels is the capital of France? Surely, all of France should be Flemish.

 

[Retherz]

Don't you know Brussels is the capital of France? Surely, all of France should be Flemish.

did u start this game because u find denmark hard? that is quite pathetic since it is one of the easiest countries in europe