I'm glad to see that something has been done to buff Denmark, as I've noticed the same issues mentioned in the OP. It's awesome that Paradox reads these forums and are willing to adjust the game based on feedback.
Denmark problems and ways to fix them.
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Wow, this is awesome! I've always conquered all of Sweden, EXCEPT I let them keep Stockholm as their only province out of spite...
Another possible buff to Denmark would be to give them a decision/event to inherit Norway if Denmark no longer has Sweden as a subject (maybe with some development limit on Norway to stop it being too exploitable). One thing that sends Denmark into a death spiral when Sweden breaks away is that the pro-Swedish dogpile chomps off so much land from Denmark proper that Denmark is no longer eligible to integrate Norway by the usual means.
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Merging the two seazones surrounding Sjaelland might help here. Assuming Denmark gets the same "spam galleys because capital adjacent to strait" thing that Ottomans do this should in theory allow a rich Denmark to hold their capital pretty easily.
Fantastic news about the Scandinavian changes. In the 30+ games I've played since Common Sense was released, Denmark got removed from the map by Sweden in every single one.
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If Germany loses Austria then it isn't really Germany anymore? If Great Britain doesn't own all Irish provinces then it isn't really Great Britain anymore is it?
Oh wow. Player points out problem, dev replies and promises to fix.
Wiz, could you become the leader of the CK2 department as well? There's this one thing in Flanders...
Wiz, could you become the leader of the CK2 department as well? There's this one thing in Flanders...
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If only they would listen to complaints about development being locked to Monarch Points.
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There aren't any problems as such with Denmarks naval capabilities ... what is the problem is that the AI is utterly unable to use their navy strategicly except for blockading, and attempting to make sure that their transports aren't ganked
If Denmark starts gobbling up Sweden 90% of the time then yes, that is a problem. But I have faith that the devs know what they are doing and find a middle ground or that they at least keep tweaking it, so we end up with a good balance at some point.
One addition that might help is this, would be if Copenhagen was represented in any way. Okay, that sounds maybe overly harsh, so let me clarify: AFAIK Copenhagen was quite different compared to most capitals. It was a trade center and it had a lot of mercantile infrastructure, but it was relatively small, because defensiveness was given immense importance. The city of Copenhagen wasn't just protected by a fort, it also was a fort. From the start of EU4's timeline to some time after it, buildings were forbidden to be constructed outside the city walls who were constantly kept up to date.
Even at times where the rest of the country was occupied, Copenhagen was still in Danish hands. It would be quite nice to somehow represent that in EU4, that Sjaelland is the last Danish province to fall, not the first.
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With the rival modifier removed I'm not sure that the Jämtland and Gotland cores will matter that much in regards to creating friction. And if they fuel a few conflicts post 1500 (or whenever the rival-modifier appears and likely breaks up the union) then that is fine by me. The Gotland core seems very justified historically, the Jämtland one a litlle more sketchy.
I think EU4 needs something called powerbalance, and great powers. Perhaps something like Victoria2 crises...
The real problem isn't Sweden beating Denmark or reverse. The problem is one victory often means the loser will be removed from the map sooner or later.
The Danish domination in Scandinavia in the 15th century was a problem for HRE and the Hansa. They were interested in a balance between Sweden and Denmark and their rivalry. 17th century England and The Netherlands were interested in a balance which dragged France in also. The victory of Charles X over Denmark resulted in a minor crises were Charles plan of a united Scandinavia under Swedish rule with a capital in Gothenburg was ruined by bad planing, hostilites from the west and a sudden death of the King.
The real problem isn't Sweden beating Denmark or reverse. The problem is one victory often means the loser will be removed from the map sooner or later.
The Danish domination in Scandinavia in the 15th century was a problem for HRE and the Hansa. They were interested in a balance between Sweden and Denmark and their rivalry. 17th century England and The Netherlands were interested in a balance which dragged France in also. The victory of Charles X over Denmark resulted in a minor crises were Charles plan of a united Scandinavia under Swedish rule with a capital in Gothenburg was ruined by bad planing, hostilites from the west and a sudden death of the King.
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*twitches at memory of repeated stalemates over Bulgaria*
That aside, yes, giving the AI better perception of "hey, that guy's a big blob, perhaps we should discourage him from further blobbing even though he hasn't actually made us Outraged" would be useful. (The tricky part is keeping the game fun while doing so.)
Ït's tricky but well defending your newly conquered areas instead of waiting out AE is more fun.
maybe merge it somehow with the AE mechanics, so that if you have an AE of say over 25 with nations big enough to have an army large enough to make a decent showing against you (75%?), they tend to warn you even if otherwise not outraged, saying that they won't be fans of expanding further, while the softcap on Collalitions would still be 50, saying that they're willing to fight you for the sole reason of cutting you down, instead of merely making sure you don't expand more.
Would also get the warning system more incorporated into the game instead of something that happens somewhat randomly against random nations.
maybe also add a willingness to guarantee targets that AI's don't have possible CBs against, which have a relatively high Revanchism, emulating the interest from other nations to keep the status quo
Would also get the warning system more incorporated into the game instead of something that happens somewhat randomly against random nations.
maybe also add a willingness to guarantee targets that AI's don't have possible CBs against, which have a relatively high Revanchism, emulating the interest from other nations to keep the status quo
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Perhpas there should be a defensiveness bonus in Denmark's traditions or NIs.
I'm sorry but I think sweden gobling up denmark 50% of the time denmark gobbling up sweden 40% of the time (as it is now) is neither better nor worse as denmark gobbling up sweden 90% of the time. The problem is that only in less than 1/10 games the historical outcome happens when neither has what it takes to hold all of scandinavia.
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