Denmark problems and ways to fix them.

[Dr. B]

AI gets a free diplo slot reserved for the player; so they have 5 instead of 4.

Pretty sure that is an extra, always free diplomat, not a relation slot (to be able to send offers without having to calculate what to do with the bust ones)
edit: busy, not bust

 

[Issac1709]

Pretty sure that is an extra, always free diplomat, not a relation slot (to be able to send offers without having to calculate what to do with the bust ones)
edit: busy, not bust

They get both....

 

[Incompetent]

They get both....

Yep. And because it's reserved, the extra diplo slot actually benefits the player more than it does the AI, because it means AI countries will accept diplomatic proposals (e.g. alliance) from the player that they wouldn't refuse from other AIs (due to all their regular slots being full).

 

[Equilibrius]

I think the devs are quite upset that they have to put their own country under danish domination, so they use ways like this to weasel out in the name of ''glorious sweden''.

It's painfully obvious and nationalistic when you look at it, to the point of embarassment.

 

[TheDungen]

Having Sweden *start* as historical rival to Denmark is a bit much I think. The country's size relative to Denmark and the overlapping cores are quite enough to make the Kalmar Union unstable without this additional hard-wired obstacle to good relations. Once Sweden is independent, by all means give Denmark and Sweden the historical rival modifier. Maybe also have events every so often that represent historical Swedish rebellions against Danish rule. But don't make Sweden 100% guaranteed disloyal/rebellious from day one.

Wouldn't really be a problem if they gave sweden and denmark corresponding developments, sweden is big but denmark should have at least as much development.

 

[TheDungen]

I think the devs are quite upset that they have to put their own country under danish domination, so they use ways like this to weasel out in the name of ''glorious sweden''.

It's painfully obvious and nationalistic when you look at it, to the point of embarassment.

And yet me as a swede is calling them out on it, also I don't think you need to worry about sweden and nationalism it's not a common sentiment.

 

[BaZERGer]

With 1.13 strong Denmark is far more usual sight than ever before.

In some of the old patches, i could see Denmark prevail, since 1.13, Denmark has at best won a single war and taken a few swedish provinces, 20 years later Denmark is reduced to 3-4 provinces anyway, i have not a single time seen Denmark even hold a status quo for the first century.

 

[Incompetent]

Wouldn't really be a problem if they gave sweden and denmark corresponding developments, sweden is big but denmark should have at least as much development.

Even if Denmark had an advantage in development over Sweden, the 'historical rival' status and overlapping cores put the Danes in a terrible position. Sweden will always be itching to rebel, and lots of countries dislike Denmark enough to support independence (mainly due to the way rivalries are picked). Even if Sweden is made relatively weaker, Denmark will often get dogpiled during the independence war by foreign supporters of Sweden (e.g. Germans, Poland, maybe England or a Russian power...). The only way for Denmark to survive such a war would be to give it an unrealistically high level of development.

 

[Haldan]

Sweden has way more manpower than it historically did as well.

 

[Sikker]

Denmark getting it's butt kicked by Sweden has been a problem ever since the first release of EU1 (yes, I played that long). Paradox have ignored this every time is has come up, and they will again.
There has always been sort of a rivalry between Denmark and Sweden (it is actually an important rivalry to some people of these nations), and I think it is probably quite official by now, that Paradox likes this rivalry and sees it as a bit of a fun sport to ensure Sweden stays strong and Denmark weak.

Yes, I am from Denmark, but I am OK with it. Humans are human.
(That being said, some more balance would definitely be appreciated, I am just certain it won't happen).

 

[TheDungen]

Denmark getting it's butt kicked by Sweden has been a problem ever since the first release of EU1 (yes, I played that long). Paradox have ignored this every time is has come up, and they will again.
There has always been sort of a rivalry between Denmark and Sweden (which is more important to some people of these countries than it is to others), and I think it is probably quite official bu now, that Paradox likes this rivalry and sees as a bit of a fun sport to endure Sweden stays strong and Denmark weak.

Yes, I am from Denmark, but I am OK with it. Humans are human.
(That being said, some more balance would definitely be appreciated, I am just certain it won't happen).

Oh please denmark win almost as often as sweden, the problem is that one always conquers the other the somewhat balanced equilibrium things settled into in reality never happens.

 

[Johan]

Now that historical rivals can be controlled through events, we could make the proper behaviour of Denmark becoming weaker delayed a century..

 

[TheDungen]

Now that historical rivals can be controlled through events, we could make the proper behaviour of Denmark becoming weaker delayed a century..

Archbishop Trolle events confirmed?

"Härtill är jag nödd och tvungen"

 

[A_Dane]

Now that historical rivals can be controlled through events, we could make the proper behaviour of Denmark becoming weaker delayed a century..

Well, as long as it just dosn't go from Denmark being a powerhouse in 1444 to Sweden becoming one in 1544 that'd be good - not that Sweden wasn't stronger, but from the time the union broke up in the 1500's to the early/mid 1600's the balance was pretty even.

Then Denmark got severely beaten several times over

 

[Asmussen]

I think perhaps part of the problem is the lack of money in the baltic trade nodes (Lübeck, Baltic Sea, Novgorod). These were really rich and were the source of most of the naval supplies in the world. Whoever controlled this area was a major player in europe. The danes controlled this early on, but as Sweden gained control of the eastern shores they became the major power. If this was somehow modelled into the game, some of the discrepancies between Denmarks real situation and the game model could be rectified. Also the sound toll modifier is ridiculously small.. It was a tax levied on every single ship passing through to the baltic, not just a small trade bonus. It didn't matter how well Denmark was doing, they still got cash in hand from this, which allowed them to field mercenaries against Sweden. In summary, more money in the Baltic and bigger modifier for the Sound-toll.

 

[TheDungen]

I think perhaps part of the problem is the lack of money in the baltic trade nodes (Lübeck, Baltic Sea, Novgorod). These were really rich and were the source of most of the naval supplies in the world. Whoever controlled this area was a major player in europe. The danes controlled this early on, but as Sweden gained control of the eastern shores they became the major power. If this was somehow modelled into the game, some of the discrepancies between Denmarks real situation and the game model could be rectified. Also the sound toll modifier is ridiculously small.. It was a tax levied on every single ship passing through to the baltic, not just a small trade bonus. It didn't matter how well Denmark was doing, they still got cash in hand from this, which allowed them to field mercenaries against Sweden. In summary, more money in the Baltic and bigger modifier for the Sound-toll.

Yeah the sound toll needs some kind of mechanic (perhaps more similiar tolls could use them?) where nations can be exempted from it or be forced to pay it and denmark getting some tradepower of everyone who is currently paying it.
But denmark wasn't a major player early on, the hansa was the major player early on, denmark was a pawn arising tradepowers in the west (english and dutch/flemmish) used to strike at the hanseatic league's control of the baltic trade. Sweden was a pawn the hansa empowered to fight the danish.
Again money makes the world go around.

 

[ThePatriotOfDreumel]

Maybe sound tolls could give 20 tax income per year or something like that.

 

[Johan]

From the current internal version we're working on for 1.14..

- Sweden and Denmark no longer starts our as historical rivals.
- Scandinavian Constitution now gives lots of power to denmark, and then creates a rivalry between Sweden and Denmark.
- Skåne, Halland & Blekinge are no longer swedish cores from the start.
- Denmark is now slightly richer at start.

 

[A_Dane]

my only regret is that I can only give 1 agree!

(I'm not just being nationalistic here )

 

[ThePatriotOfDreumel]

Finally, denmark will survive!