Denmark is bugged in new Beta patch

[devil]

Playing with newest beta patch a very weird option has been introduced that ruins denmark, if you want to play them historical.

- Denmark now gets german culture if they choose Christian of Holstein, but for a heavy price.

Why in gods name does denmark get a RR of +15 for 20 years when choosing the historic path, when in fact christian of holstein was quite a peaceful king after he had won the counts feud. I could understand if it was +25 RR for 2 years. But this is just too freaky, I know the point is to give denmark the option to get german culture as they should have, but certainly not like this. I recommed the changes gets removed right away.

historic link

 

[unmerged(11216)]

It's probably mainly because of MP issues, since German is such a powerfull culture. Anyhow I agree +15 RR for 20 years is alittle too much Anyhow i'd like to see Sweden get german in Pommern inheritance event in next beta

 

[devil]

It's probably mainly because of MP issues, since German is such a powerfull culture. Anyhow I agree +15 RR for 20 years is alittle too much Anyhow i'd like to see Sweden get german in Pommern inheritance event in next beta

hehe thats all great but, +15 RR for chosing the historic path is utterly insane. :wacko:

I could understand it, if it was the ahistorical option.

 

[unmerged(10894)]

As long as Denmark would also lose German culture once Christian dies, no rr wouldn't be a problem. Better yet, why doesn't Holstein's culture change to Scandinavian?

 

[Galleblære]

Playing with newest beta patch a very weird option has been introduced that ruins denmark, if you want to play them historical.


Why in gods name does denmark get a RR of +15 for 20 years when choosing the historic path, when in fact christian of holstein was quite a peaceful king after he had won the counts feud. I could understand if it was +25 RR for 2 years. But this is just too freaky, I know the point is to give denmark the option to get german culture as they should have, but certainly not like this. I recommed it gets removed right away.

historic link

Agreed. I played Denmark, and that was just over the top. Would be quite easy for a Swedish player to take advantage of this, considering the event only triggers a few years after the Gustav Wasa thingie.

 

[Arilou]

I'd prefer if it was changed to the ahistorical choice... That would make it balanced IMHO.

 

[Cagliostro]

Seems like you could institute plenty of hideous penalties that didn't increase RR dramatically (which seems like an ahistorical hit). You could give a temporary tech group drop to orthodox, some tax/manpower hits, etc. I think probably the penalty needs to be rethought, but that there's no balance problem with giving a hit for german culture (which is a huge boost).

Giving the german powers a CB on Denmark for that choice also seems likely.

 

[devil]

Seems like you could institute plenty of hideous penalties that didn't increase RR dramatically (which seems like an ahistorical hit). You could give a temporary tech group drop to orthodox, some tax/manpower hits, etc. I think probably the penalty needs to be rethought, but that there's no balance problem with giving a hit for german culture (which is a huge boost).

Giving the german powers a CB on Denmark for that choice also seems likely.

Indeed but not ahistorical +15 RR for 20 years, when selecting the historical option.

 

[kurtbrian]

its insane.

thats worse than the Golden Horde's disintegration event....

another help for sweden to annex denmark before the 1600's.

As well as bib can tell the channel strait is bad without testing - I can tell that this event will not exactly help denmark.

 

[unmerged(10894)]

And as I said in another thread, this is going to hit AI worst of all, as this is option A. The AI simply can't deal with those sort of revolts, peace or war.

 

[unmerged(26782)]

And as I said in another thread, this is going to hit AI worst of all, as this is option A. The AI simply can't deal with those sort of revolts, peace or war.

Well, the betas are only fixing MP stuff.

 

[unmerged(23962)]

If you compare Denmark to other countries, then they shouldnt get german culture at all. Denmark didnt have german-holstein all the time. There are more worse example, as OE dont have slavonic culture, as England/France dont have gaelic culture, as Spain dont have basque culture and so on....

cultures is a sensitive issue , therefore i would recommend to remove this event that gives denmark german culture, otherwise people will start to whine about adding culture by event to other countries as well....which they have right to claim if denmark gets it.

 

[Iasius]

Well, the betas are only fixing MP stuff.

And it's not hard to remove or edit events from a new patch that you don't like if you only play SP.
As of now I have played one game with the new beta, AI Denmark went from an 8 province nation in 1533 to being forceannexed by 1545.

Still, in the future I'll probably play with the May 29th beta again.

 

[unmerged(10894)]

Well, the betas are only fixing MP stuff.

It is still an MP problem as Denmark is not always played, even though it's role is crucial.

 

[BiB]

Don't see why Denmark should get German culture in the first place anyway.

 

[unmerged(23962)]

Don't see why Denmark should get German culture in the first place anyway.

exactly

 

[unmerged(26782)]

It is still an MP problem as Denmark is not always played, even though it's role is crucial.

If Denmark ain't played, doesn't it get swallowed by Sweden?

 

[Johan]

Denmark gets German culture to entice them to go for german lands which they wanted historically. And this also gives them benefits for it.

The cost might be a bit high though.

 

[Hypnotoad]

Denmark gets German culture to entice them to go for german lands which they wanted historically. And this also gives them benefits for it.

The cost might be a bit high though.

Yes they were much more interested in german lands.
As a side note, German was the royal court language in Denmark for a long time. The close connection with Swedish and Holstein royalty also was a big facor in the troubles between Sweden and Denmark, since Denmark wanted to expand south.

 

[unmerged(23962)]

If its for MP purpose only i can understand it, though i think sweden should get such event too. (sweden were very close to german, with royal marriges etc., btw sweden had german as second language until WW2)