Democracy without elections

[Aleksidze]

How can this be done? I know it's kind of a exploit, but I'm still curious about it. A guy did it on a MP playing with Italy and having the Communist Party from 1848 till the end of the game while remaining as a Democracy.

I've checked the VickyWiki and doesn't say anything about it.

 

[unmerged(51925)]

if you can make enough pops communist, i think it can be done

 

[Aleksidze]

if you can make enough pops communist, i think it can be done

Yeah, but normally when you have a Commie party on power and free suffrage it triggers the Proletarian Dictatorship event.

I want to be a Democracy with "none" electoral rights.

 

[unmerged(50583)]

If the communist party comes to power you will automaticly change to Proletarian Dictatorship no matter what you do.
So I think its impossible.

 

[unmerged(76730)]

Without cheating (save game edit/exe modifications) it is impossible.

And even with editing most probably next month you will get event turning you into PD. It is how V/R engine works - Democracies elect new gov every 4 years. Only way to be Democracy without voting rights (per se - it is not a Democracy ) is to dissect exe file, change code and compile it back to exe.

Edit saved game, it is the only solution I can provide here. Perhaps like this:

government = democracy
executive_designation = parliamentarism
party_system = two_party [or multi_party]*
national_value = liberty [or whatever you like]
voting_rights = none
press_rights = censorship
political_parties = all_allowed **
trade_unions = all
public_meetings = yes

* - important becasue with one_party it is certain PD
** - right to ban = con monarchy and none = monarchy/PD

Anyway, I will repeat myself. Probability it will work is next to nothing. V or R have built-in SDASGC [Self-Defense Against Stupid Goverment Configurations]. :rofl:

 

[unmerged(84717)]

If the communist party comes to power you will automaticly change to Proletarian Dictatorship no matter what you do.
So I think its impossible.

Untrue. As a Democracy, you can still set your voting rights to "Wealth" and not become a dictatorship.

I'm not sure how the guy did it, but in the last month of the election, one can grant Suffrage, bring up taxes up to 100%, making the population go Socialist, and somehow increase their militancy enough to make all of them Communists.

 

[ninjaska]

How can this be done? I know it's kind of a exploit, but I'm still curious about it. A guy did it on a MP playing with Italy and having the Communist Party from 1848 till the end of the game while remaining as a Democracy.

I've checked the VickyWiki and doesn't say anything about it.

When you are ConMon or Presidenatal Dic... select Communists or Reactionary as rulling party.
Then select free suffrage, free parties etc. and become Democracy.
Then set voting rights to 'none'.
And you have never ending Communist (Reactionary) Democracy.
Note: Similar trick you can do as Urugway, at start game.
Select Liberals, become democracy and set voting rights to 'Wealth'. Since you have no 'Wealth' you will have Liberals for ever. Intresting that there be campaign but without voting.

 

[Aleksidze]

When you are ConMon or Presidenatal Dic... select Communists or Reactionary as rulling party.
Then select free suffrage, free parties etc. and become Democracy.
Then set voting rights to 'none'.
And you have never ending Communist (Reactionary) Democracy.

But how do you change your voting rights back to 'none' when you can't do that as a Democracy?

I know it's possible to do this b'cause I've seen the OE as a ConsMon without voting rights, but that's due to an error in the Liberal Constitution Event they get from the start (changes them to CM but forgets to touch the voting rights, so it stays in 'none').

 

[ninjaska]

But how do you change your voting rights back to 'none' when you can't do that as a Democracy?

You can do it, if your rulling party are communist or reactionary.
More you can find here

 

[Serbon]

But if the ruling party is Communist they will turn your contry in a Proletarian Dictatorship

 

[ninjaska]

But if the ruling party is Communist they will turn your contry in a Proletarian Dictatorship

No, you have one month to set voting rights to 'none'
its like this:
1st of January: Monarchy, set voting rights to 'suffrage' and rulling party reactionary
1st February, became ConMon
1st March, change to Dictatorship, choose 'free parties',
1st April, change to Democracy
and if you don't change voting rights to 'none', during April, at the 1st May you became Dictatorship again. But if you do, then you'll stay democracy.

 

[Serbon]

No, you have one month to set voting rights to 'none'
its like this:
1st of January: Monarchy, set voting rights to 'suffrage' and rulling party reactionary
1st February, became ConMon
1st March, change to Dictatorship, choose 'free parties',
1st April, change to Democracy
and if you don't change voting rights to 'none', during April, at the 1st May you became Dictatorship again. But if you do, then you'll stay democracy.

Learning something new every day

 

[unmerged(76802)]

What's the point of having a Democracy without elections?

 

[Garek Maxwell]

What's the point of having a Democracy without elections?

Because you can now properly simulate a nation controlled by the Illuminati in which elections happen but nothing ever really changes.

(I'm not serious, I'm just making up excuses...But at least it has a plausible explanation if the Illuminati exist in game! )

 

[SeedSnatcher]

What's the point of having a Democracy without elections?

So that you have an effective dictatorship in which consciousness lowers the militancy of POPs? Where plurality is good for you, somehow? I dunno, I kinda like it.