Demo: First Impressions?

[unmerged(131846)]

Does Lithuania always break the PU with Poland?

 

[Gathenhielm]

The event where the emperor pressures a country within the empire need some serious rebalancing or a better ai. The emperor ai keeps spamming it until the country accepts, which besides being annoying doesn't seem to come with any drawback..

Edit: Otherwise the expansion looks good.

Edit2:

Does Lithuania always break the PU with Poland?

Didn't break in my game.

 

[Gorgo Primus]

100000 royal marriage offers at game start were scary.

 

[Glatze]

Manufactories did not increase in price for multiple exemplifications in my game.

And I also noticed much higher occurence of PU and inheritaces.

But all in all very interesting so far.

 

[unmerged(146130)]

Demo's awesome, bought the game and liked it
I also bought NA and IN last week

 

[Mrdie]

100000 royal marriage offers at game start were scary.

Either that or the AI has a very boring private life and wants French women.

 

[ForVictory]

What is cultural tradition good for?

And i still cant believe they didnt fix that ugly strait between Thrace and Asia!

 

[Galaahd]

Ideas; How come Patron of the Arts gives no cultural tradition? A CT idea would be nice.

Nooooo

Please, change it

 

[Marshall Thomas]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Caesar

LOL it's a monster from the Godzilla movies:rofl::rofl:

I like the catchy tune that must be sung to awaken him.

 

[EUROO7]

What is cultural tradition good for?

And i still cant believe they didnt fix that ugly strait between Thrace and Asia!

CT makes better advisors.

 

[Alerias]

40 # _DDEF_PEACE_COST_UNION_ Peace cost for forming a personal union
50 # _DDEF_PEACE_COST_CONVERSION_ Peace cost for forced conversion
5 # _DDEF_PEACE_COST_RELEASE_ Base Peace cost for releasing an annexed country (also increases with nr of provinces)
5 # _DDEF_PEACE_COST_CONCEDE_ Base Peace cost for conceding defeat
0.5 # _DDEF_PEACE_COST_GOLD_STEP_ Peace Cost for 1 month of income
20 # _DDEF_PEACE_COST_SPHERE_ Peace cost for removing a country from a Sphere of Influence
15 # _DDEF_PEACE_COST_ANNUL_ Peace cost for annulment of treaties
10 # _DDEF_PEACE_COST_JOIN_LEAGUE_ Peace Cost for Joining a Trade League

1 # _DDEF_MAX_ANNEX_SIZE_ (Max number of provinces that can be annexed at once)

Thanks a ton for this, but why nothing to mod vassalization costs?

 

[Bballman23]

Just finished forming the HRE by using the authority cheat. Very fun. I have a few questions/comments about the process, though.

Can reforms be undone? For example, if I make the HRE title hereditary, can I lose that inheritance by having a weak claimant on the throne and/or having a Regency Council? Doing so would make the HRE (rightfully) much harder to unite, and make sense. All those princes would love the chance to get their freedom back.

The vassalization reform bothers me a bit. About five countries refused to become my vassals and we went to war. I defeated and vassalized them all via the peace screen, but when I annexed all the other HRE nations those five remained vassals of mine (I gained cores on their HRE land, though). Would it be possible for the game to recognize why those nations became vassals, and therefore have them annexed with the others? It seems to make little sense that you can "save yourself" from being annexed simply by having the emperor slaughter and force-vassalize you. I also don't understand why the wars that start with them are wars of MY aggression. I as emperor did force their hand, but they started the war by ignoring my authority and trying to keep their independence. This caused me to go to war with a few non-HRE nations that were allied to the refusers, as well as lose my allies when they refused to join me. Maybe their refusal could give me a CB (as if they were vassals breaking their vassalization) so I can choose to declare war if I want.

Finally, I agree that inheritances seem to be too common in HttT. I love PUs and inheritances, but not when the AI can inherit scary things as easily as me! Maybe inherited provinces should have strong nationalism. It makes sense that the new inherited kingdom be considered a core part of the heir's nation, but that doesn't mean the people feel the same way. This increased RR should make it harder to keep and hold inherited nations.

 

[jamhaw]

Really fun, the changes to the Holy Roman Empire are great!

 

[Alerias]

As long as inheritances are harder for the AI, I dont mind if theyre a bit harder for players as well. But I think the players and the AI should be on the same playing field regarding this.

Furthermore, as usual, I think its good practice to make how hard it is as fully moddable as possible.

 

[Metz]

Can someone take a picture of the HRE nation? Thanks.

 

[ulrichomega]

There seemed to be some confusion over the HRE reforms. The way to see their effects is to mouseover the title of the reform, not the button to select it.

 

[Metz]

Ok so how does this work? Leinster is a vassal of England therefore the leader of Leinster is a duke. Now this duke is in a personal union with Austria so they do what Leinster wants. So whats the relationship between Austria and England? If England diploannexes Leinster then Austria gets a new King, but if Leinster inherits Austria and then England diploannexes Leinster, England controls it all?

I think that if you or the AI are a duke, you should'nt be able to claim the throne on anyone but your master and if you fall into a vassalage then the countries you have a personal union with get a new king. This would be more realistic right?

 

[Wezqu]

To those who have the minimap doesn't work issue. This happens when you have the event window open on the lower part of the screen. Just closing will make it possible to move by pressing the map. I didn't test it if it happens if you change your resolution to a higher setting but if you play with the default or smaller it does block the use of the minimap. Most likely a thing that was missed on the beta testing as people most likely used higher resolutions where it didn't block the map.

 

[Alerias]

Can someone take a picture of the HRE nation? Thanks.

Well sure, but its ... imperfect. Cant save in the demo so I screwed it up a bit. Because of the war glitch I mentioned above, some parts of the HRE were not annexed. Also, not shown on this pic, Riga and the Livonian Order did join the new nation, OTOH.

 

[BonSequitur]

not from a union..

i personally don't mind getting into a union for a monarch or two with another country.. its a period of fun :9

Clearly Johan subscribes to the Bay 12 definition of 'fun'..

But anyway, why not let us save in the demo? I really wish I could pick up my demo game again to play it when I get the full game on Tuesday.

EDIT: Making HRE the same colour as GER is going to be interesting when the inevitable screenshot showing both together crops up.