Demand Vassalization Requirements

[17blue17]

Has anything changed in recent patches relating to the diplomatic option to demand vassalization? I am not seeing the button like I used to. I am using mods but I removed all the mod stuff related to diplomatic actions and I still do not see the demand vassalization button. So I wonder if something has changed in the base game relating to the option/requirements.

 

[DukeLeto42]

Not that I've seen, but the only game I've done recently was a hive mind, so I was hardly playing a "normal" empire. Just to check, I'm presuming "demand protectorate" option wasn't there? You'll only get that option if you have sufficient tech advantage.

 

[RabbaDooDabba]

I would try again with every mod disabled (yes, even those that do not impact diplomacy or the checksum) just to makes sure. There was a quite impactful change to modability with the Lem update and a mod designed for a previous verson running on Lem could lead to unforseen consequences.

 

[17blue17]

Not that I've seen, but the only game I've done recently was a hive mind, so I was hardly playing a "normal" empire. Just to check, I'm presuming "demand protectorate" option wasn't there? You'll only get that option if you have sufficient tech advantage.

Thank you for the reply.

I was not aware about the tech advantage impact. It also seems that a protectorate changes into a vassal once the tech advantage reduces.

I tested using the yesmen cheat and even then the demand vassal button does not show so something got hard coded differently at some point in the past year or so and I missed it.

Thanks again.

 

[17blue17]

I would try again with every mod disabled (yes, even those that do not impact diplomacy or the checksum) just to makes sure. There was a quite impactful change to modability with the Lem update and a mod designed for a previous verson running on Lem could lead to unforseen consequences.

Thank you for the response.

You have a good point. I am only using my own mods which have been updated but to be safe I removed anything to do with diplomacy or subjects with no change.

No matter what I do the demand vassal button does not show. I see some old posts from the 2.x patches saying that the demand vassal button no longer is used and that you have to do demand protectorate instead and then the protectorate turns into a vassal. Not sure if this is correct or still true.

I guess I was hoping someone could simply confirm in their games that they see the demand vassal button even if it has a red x.

 

[RabbaDooDabba]

Thank you for the response.

You have a good point. I am only using my own mods which have been updated but to be safe I removed anything to do with diplomacy or subjects with no change.

No matter what I do the demand vassal button does not show. I see some old posts from the 2.x patches saying that the demand vassal button no longer is used and that you have to do demand protectorate instead and then the protectorate turns into a vassal. Not sure if this is correct or still true.

I guess I was hoping someone could simply confirm in their games that they see the demand vassal button even if it has a red x.

No mods. Version 3.1.2 (6df7) Regular Empire (hegemon origin for instant neighbours)

 

[DukeLeto42]

I was not aware about the tech advantage impact. It also seems that a protectorate changes into a vassal once the tech advantage reduces.

I tested using the yesmen cheat and even then the demand vassal button does not show so something got hard coded differently at some point in the past year or so and I missed it.

Thanks again.

No matter what I do the demand vassal button does not show. I see some old posts from the 2.x patches saying that the demand vassal button no longer is used and that you have to do demand protectorate instead and then the protectorate turns into a vassal. Not sure if this is correct or still true.

Right, so I was asking if "demand protectorate" was an option because the two options are mutually exclusive. Which option will appear depends on if you have sufficient tech advantage. I'm not sure what you're mentioning about a change, as I seem to recall it having been this way for quite a while. Note that unless you've left them space to expand in or need their help in wars, the +.25 influence per month from protectorates generally makes them a far better subject than a vassal.

 

[17blue17]

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Thank you. Greatly Appreciated.

 

[17blue17]

Right, so I was asking if "demand protectorate" was an option because the two options are mutually exclusive. Which option will appear depends on if you have sufficient tech advantage. I'm not sure what you're mentioning about a change, as I seem to recall it having been this way for quite a while. Note that unless you've left them space to expand in or need their help in wars, the +.25 influence per month from protectorates generally makes them a far better subject than a vassal.

Thank you! I did not realize the mutually exclusive. Very helpful!!!