Dejur Drift Suggestion: Separate Rules for Kingdom and Empire Drift

[docponystine]

So, I love the principle of DeJur Drift, but only really for empires. From what I see, having it on makes teh kingdom map mode a gross mismatch of ridiculousness that simply makes taking over land that has been owned by a powerful king, but not emperor, rather tedious as you and their vassals can't aspire to take control of certain internal kingdom titles.

Having Imperial boarders shift around with time makes them more stable, but having Kingdoms do the same mostly just feels boarder gore-y and it would be nice to be able to set their drift rules separately.

 

[Lycrist Katkiller]

Have two kingdom titles = no dejure drift for duchies

Sorry, I might not get your point

 

[chrnno]

Have two kingdom titles = no dejure drift for duchies

Sorry, I might not get your point

He likes de jure drift of kingdoms into empires but not of duchies into kingdoms, so he wants a separate rule to allow one but not the other instead of both or neither.

 

[Lycrist Katkiller]

He likes de jure drift of kingdoms into empires but not of duchies into kingdoms, so he wants a separate rule to allow one but not the other instead of both or neither.

mh, yeah, but if you hold 2 kingdom titles, there will be no dejure drift of duchies (because where would they drift, Kingdom A or B?)

 

[chrnno]

mh, yeah, but if you hold 2 kingdom titles, there will be no dejure drift of duchies (because where would they drift, Kingdom A or B?)

First you are wrong as duchies can drift into primary kingdom so long as you don't hold its de jure kingdom, you can have a hundred other kingdoms and it won't matter.

Second what he wants is a variation of the existing game rule called Dynamic De Jure Drift( which allows, restricts or disables it) that handles duchies and kingdoms drifting separately.

 

[Karlington]

So, I love the principle of DeJur Drift, but only really for empires. From what I see, having it on makes teh kingdom map mode a gross mismatch of ridiculousness that simply makes taking over land that has been owned by a powerful king, but not emperor, rather tedious as you and their vassals can't aspire to take control of certain internal kingdom titles.

Having Imperial boarders shift around with time makes them more stable, but having Kingdoms do the same mostly just feels boarder gore-y and it would be nice to be able to set their drift rules separately.

Support. Anything that adds options without removing any is a good addition in my eyes.

 

[Karlington]

mh, yeah, but if you hold 2 kingdom titles, there will be no dejure drift of duchies (because where would they drift, Kingdom A or B?)

First you are wrong as duchies can drift into primary kingdom so long as you don't hold its de jure kingdom, you can have a hundred other kingdoms and it won't matter.

Second what he wants is a variation of the existing game rule called Dynamic De Jure Drift( which allows, restricts or disables it) that handles duchies and kingdoms drifting separately.

On top of what chrnno mentioned here, holding additional kingdoms will cause opinion penalties with vassals who desire kingdom titles other than the primary.

 

[docponystine]

Empires grow and change a lot of easily in history than kingdom titles, if you can call them that. Certain titular kingdoms did become proper ones, such as the kingdom of Portugal it's not quite eas easy to pull up that concept compared to say the constantly changing idea of China, Persia or the HRE all of whom had vastly different ideas of what was dejure part of their empire through the ages.

 

[Lycrist Katkiller]

First you are wrong as duchies can drift into primary kingdom so long as you don't hold its de jure kingdom, you can have a hundred other kingdoms and it won't matter.

Second what he wants is a variation of the existing game rule called Dynamic De Jure Drift( which allows, restricts or disables it) that handles duchies and kingdoms drifting separately.

It matter if you change the primary title...
And yes, there is the penalty, but not for titular kingdoms