Degree of alt-historic tag customisation. The case study of an Austro-Slavic Empire.

[Marcus Pica]

To what degree will we be able to customize our government by empowering certain national interests and posibly reshaping the national focus of a state?

For example in the Austrian Empire, would it be possible to reform the state to follow more of an Austro-Slavic identity (expressed e.g. by František Palacky) and try to unify West and South Slavs within it as a counterpoint of a unified Germany? Would the cultural mechanics allow for such customisation and are there any such precedents for this in Vicky2? (Havent played it).

Would this be something that could derive from game mechanics or would it have to be dealth with by events and decision (if there even is interest among the devs for such alt-historic customisation.)

 

[Marcus Pica]

I am posting just to push the post up. Anyone has any thoughts?

 

[Arizal]

Ideally, everything you say could be done. In practice, making a mechanic for an Austro-Slavic empire would imply making way to many other alt-history empires.

While this sounds very interesting, and really isn’t that unbelievable given Hungary’ attitude towards Austria, it raises the question of how such dynamic tags could be done.

I really don’t like forced railroading, but I think for release there will probably be one decision for Austria to form Austria-Hungary, but other alternatives will have to wait.

 

[Woifee]

Ideally, everything you say could be done. In practice, making a mechanic for an Austro-Slavic empire would imply making way to many other alt-history empires.

While this sounds very interesting, and really isn’t that unbelievable given Hungary’ attitude towards Austria, it raises the question of how such dynamic tags could be done.

I really don’t like forced railroading, but I think for release there will probably be one decision for Austria to form Austria-Hungary, but other alternatives will have to wait.

Ideally giving more rights to other ethnicities would be done by laws, reformes or revolution, not by tag forming. Tag forming should be done to create new States.

The game should allow the player to chose from flags and names in history or rename it entirly to how the player role playes his country. Also a Flag designer would be nice with some colors and symbols locked for government forms. So no Hammer and Sickle for monarchies.

So if I wanna roleplay Austria like a central european commonwealth I can go for the laws, if the pops support it, and I can then rename the country and make my own flag to get myself nice endorphins rush for my accomplishment.

 

[Ololorium]

I hope such customization will be available through gameplay means. I hope that the system would work like this: each minority will be represented as an Interest Group, and by inviting them into your government you will be able to pass some legislation that will elevate their status and they will be considered equals to your main culture (which would anger more nationalistic Interest Groups). However, for now we don't really have any information about how the minorities are going to interact with the Interest Group system.

 

[Marcus Pica]

Ideally, everything you say could be done. In practice, making a mechanic for an Austro-Slavic empire would imply making way to many other alt-history empires.

While this sounds very interesting, and really isn’t that unbelievable given Hungary’ attitude towards Austria, it raises the question of how such dynamic tags could be done.

I really don’t like forced railroading, but I think for release there will probably be one decision for Austria to form Austria-Hungary, but other alternatives will have to wait.

It should be tied mechanically to national interest groups and their demands. Curently we have only seen interest groups based on class.

There also needs to be a hierarchy of cultural differences. E.g. Slavic nations (Czechs, Slovacs, Slovenes, Poles, Croats etc.) would be satisfied with autonomy for all or part of them as a cultural group or they would demand autonomy for an individual "nation".

 

[Ololorium]

There also needs to be a hierarchy of cultural differences. E.g. Slavic nations (Czechs, Slovacs, Slovenes, Poles, Croats etc.) would be satisfied with autonomy for all or part of them as a cultural group or they would demand autonomy for an individual "nation".

Yes, it would be really interesting to see something like coalitions of small minority interest groups acting as one, based on cultural and/or religious similarities.

 

[Marcus Pica]

There should be a complex interplay between interest groups (as basicaly class representation) and national groups (minorities, different ethnicities).

If a certain national group demands more autonomy then perhaps placating the IG associated with peasants could take the wind out of the nationalists as their ethnical peasants are satisfied with the economic betternment and dont care much about nationalism

 

[Ololorium]

There should be a complex interplay between interest groups (as basicaly class representation) and national groups (minorities, different ethnicities).

If a certain national group demands more autonomy then perhaps placating the IG associated with peasants could take the wind out of the nationalists as their ethnical peasants are satisfied with the economic betternment and dont care much about nationalism

Also, for example, the Clergy of the state religion probably should have different priorities than the Clergy of other religions.
Another thing is the hypothetical scenario where, for example, Prussia annexes the American South. We know that Prussian Aristocrats are pro-monarchy and anti-slavery, so the Landowners interest group of Prussia supports these causes. But American Aristocrats are anti-monarchy and pro-slavery. What Interest Group would they support? Will they just never join the Landowners IG and split their support between different groups, create a new IG specifically for them, join a unified Dixie Separatists IG or shift the existing Prussian Landowners agenda?