Latorossa is a perfectly good plan. Why should the Axis start a two-front war. So sad, the USSR won't gain the massive CG decrease until all Axis majors (including Italy) surprass the Soviets in IC...
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Update...
I will most probably be away next week and Im not sure if I can play. It looks like the Axis have won the campaign through superior teamwork and allied mistakes. But stranger things have happened then a late turning point.
UK lost Belfast and 12 improved fighters to some unfortunate overstacking otherwise Africa was contained and annexation of the UK avoided yet again against all odds.
The axis finally attacked USSR and captured Moscow, Stalingrad and Leningrad. Japanese forces annexed Mongolia and captured Siberia. Italy took Baku and the Caucasus. Some extremely heavy fighting have been going on around Moscow and its predicted that the future of the USSR will be settled within weeks.
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Are we playing today thursday or not? 19.30 now...
I will most probably be away next week and Im not sure if I can play. It looks like the Axis have won the campaign through superior teamwork and allied mistakes. But stranger things have happened then a late turning point.
UK lost Belfast and 12 improved fighters to some unfortunate overstacking otherwise Africa was contained and annexation of the UK avoided yet again against all odds.
The axis finally attacked USSR and captured Moscow, Stalingrad and Leningrad. Japanese forces annexed Mongolia and captured Siberia. Italy took Baku and the Caucasus. Some extremely heavy fighting have been going on around Moscow and its predicted that the future of the USSR will be settled within weeks.
EDIT:
Are we playing today thursday or not? 19.30 now...
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Next game: Tuesday 18 November at 19:00 CET.
Please post here if you are unable to make it.
Please post here if you are unable to make it.
hmm
I have a problem tomorrow....
There is a general assembly to vote over the new internet stuff we're getting here, I think I gotta attend so It will pass...
This begins at 20.00 and probably lasts an hour..sooo
I can play before 20.00 and after 21.00 ....
I leave you all to figure out what you want yourselves
Love
Jan the illustrious.
I have a problem tomorrow....
There is a general assembly to vote over the new internet stuff we're getting here, I think I gotta attend so It will pass...
This begins at 20.00 and probably lasts an hour..sooo
I can play before 20.00 and after 21.00 ....
I leave you all to figure out what you want yourselves
Love
Jan the illustrious.
I will be in Stockholm all of next week and out of town most of the week following that one. I will have a computer available and probably an internet connection but I wont be able to host with my normal connection.
You can either conclude the campaign without me or organize an alternative host and I'll try to hook myself up from somewhere else.
Maybe playing tomorrow tuesday from 21.30 and onwards, (since Jan is always later than he admits) will decide if DEG10 is worthwhile to continue or not.
You can either conclude the campaign without me or organize an alternative host and I'll try to hook myself up from somewhere else.
Maybe playing tomorrow tuesday from 21.30 and onwards, (since Jan is always later than he admits) will decide if DEG10 is worthwhile to continue or not.
Hmmm....
Me thinks it is a good idea for us to start at 19:00 (or 18:00?) and then play until the Janster has to go. Hey, getting "new internet stuff" sounds like fun! I bet its some sort of wicked ****o, be sure to send it to me after you receive it at the meeting.
Hopefully the situation around Moscow (and thus the fate of the world) will be decided before Jan has to leave. If not then we take a 1 hour break, were we others can get some food, smoke some cigarettes or change our underwear.
Is starting a bit earlier (or in worst case at 19:00) fine with the rest of you?
Me thinks it is a good idea for us to start at 19:00 (or 18:00?) and then play until the Janster has to go. Hey, getting "new internet stuff" sounds like fun! I bet its some sort of wicked ****o, be sure to send it to me after you receive it at the meeting.
Hopefully the situation around Moscow (and thus the fate of the world) will be decided before Jan has to leave. If not then we take a 1 hour break, were we others can get some food, smoke some cigarettes or change our underwear.
Is starting a bit earlier (or in worst case at 19:00) fine with the rest of you?
Eh....yeah....or something.
I'm gonna be on V-net today at 19:00 CET. Lets hope the others show up.
I'm gonna be on V-net today at 19:00 CET. Lets hope the others show up.
And so the saga ends....
Axis won following the Soviet surrender after the destruction of the pocket west of Moskva, where the Red Army lost its entire tank corps along with 10 infantry and 10 mechanized infantry. UK mainland since long occupied by Germany. Pacific and Sibiria dominated by Japan. Victory is sweet!
Though not known by the Allies, the Axis had major manpower problems. Italy at one time during 1941 had no manpower left, and from around October 1942 the Germans were totally out of manpower with the Japs having around 200 left. The Japanese marines did loose quite a bit of manpower in the fighting in the pacific, mainly from the mainy amphibious landings (the most bloody one cost around 94% casualties).
Also, the Germans nearly surrendered after the capture of Moscow, upon which around 50-60 German divisions were temporarily surrounded there. Fighting their way out without any fuel was a major problem.
On the whole, the Axis victory was mainly caused by great teamwork and certain deficiencies in UK/USA gameplay and coordination (and also the fact that a major part of UK strategy called for a permanent Canadian player, which was never fully realized).
I will post some screenies when I get the time for this.
Axis won following the Soviet surrender after the destruction of the pocket west of Moskva, where the Red Army lost its entire tank corps along with 10 infantry and 10 mechanized infantry. UK mainland since long occupied by Germany. Pacific and Sibiria dominated by Japan. Victory is sweet!
Though not known by the Allies, the Axis had major manpower problems. Italy at one time during 1941 had no manpower left, and from around October 1942 the Germans were totally out of manpower with the Japs having around 200 left. The Japanese marines did loose quite a bit of manpower in the fighting in the pacific, mainly from the mainy amphibious landings (the most bloody one cost around 94% casualties).
Also, the Germans nearly surrendered after the capture of Moscow, upon which around 50-60 German divisions were temporarily surrounded there. Fighting their way out without any fuel was a major problem.
On the whole, the Axis victory was mainly caused by great teamwork and certain deficiencies in UK/USA gameplay and coordination (and also the fact that a major part of UK strategy called for a permanent Canadian player, which was never fully realized).
I will post some screenies when I get the time for this.
Update
Yes, after some of the most heavy fighting I've ever seen in Hoi, It became clear that I was unable to contain the trapped germany army in Moskva, and instead found my own army trapped and isolated, and after a unsuccessful breakout attempt, I lost the entire group.
Thus, any posibility of a victory in the east was out of the question, and with my allies being on their kneas aswell, it was clear that no allied help would be coming to my aid, anytime soon, not ever most likly..
Thus negotiations for peace begun.
In aftertaught, I did some good..and some bad moves...the italian success in the caucasus, left me a bit shocked...as did the stunning jap with the ait of the german mtn divs, whole fronts collapsed far faster than I would have thought, and keep in mind I had my own mtn divs there aswell.
German air power was of course devastating, and left me with little chance of repelling their assaults, altough in general it proved to be a nuisance more than a direct threat to the health of my troops.
My only real blunder, was the loss of Leningrad, which was caused due to a heavy counterattack, that led astray, leading to an easy capture of the city, and the loss of the Leningrad HQ and armygroup, plus the poor finns...
In south, the destruction of caucasus, led to a huge loss in men, as most of the armies in that region was annhilated.
My armour, remained intact, until the end though ,and proved more than match for the germans, but the price of the heavy play around Moscow showed that I could not cope with the intense pressure that was put on me with the 3 way assault.
Lessons have been learned.
Good day
Jan
Yes, after some of the most heavy fighting I've ever seen in Hoi, It became clear that I was unable to contain the trapped germany army in Moskva, and instead found my own army trapped and isolated, and after a unsuccessful breakout attempt, I lost the entire group.
Thus, any posibility of a victory in the east was out of the question, and with my allies being on their kneas aswell, it was clear that no allied help would be coming to my aid, anytime soon, not ever most likly..
Thus negotiations for peace begun.
In aftertaught, I did some good..and some bad moves...the italian success in the caucasus, left me a bit shocked...as did the stunning jap with the ait of the german mtn divs, whole fronts collapsed far faster than I would have thought, and keep in mind I had my own mtn divs there aswell.
German air power was of course devastating, and left me with little chance of repelling their assaults, altough in general it proved to be a nuisance more than a direct threat to the health of my troops.
My only real blunder, was the loss of Leningrad, which was caused due to a heavy counterattack, that led astray, leading to an easy capture of the city, and the loss of the Leningrad HQ and armygroup, plus the poor finns...
In south, the destruction of caucasus, led to a huge loss in men, as most of the armies in that region was annhilated.
My armour, remained intact, until the end though ,and proved more than match for the germans, but the price of the heavy play around Moscow showed that I could not cope with the intense pressure that was put on me with the 3 way assault.
Lessons have been learned.
Good day
Jan
DEG 11
On Thursday at 19:00, yes ?
Re the game:
Axis went all out for air
UK was not able to hold the axis onslaught and was reduced to a few possessions in Africa and atlantic islands
US was handicapped by some bugs which led to low WE and a real IC level inferior to that of Italy for a several years + unexplained control of iceland/greenland by Germany after danish annexation... this was particularly bothersome as the germans entrenched there and with japanese air and submarines closed the sea lanes to UK
SU was strong on land but could not compete in the air and although barberossa started in 1942 only was therefore not able to contain the axis on its own in the east..
Meanwhile the US was ramping up, but catching accumulated lost ICs was a long process...-after the start of Barberossa US was also dedicating some 200 IC per day to produce supplies for the soviet- only in November 42 the US was at last ready to liberate UK, with close to 200 divs available some 70 of which were armor and mech and adequate air support in the form of advanced fighters , navs and tacs plus over a 100 transport for the logistics...
by that time however SU had been decisively beaten it seems... not being able to follow closely the events on the eastern front one can only make assumptions... assumptions are that the soviets choose to stand and fight (and hit back) this bled the germans but eventually led to the soviet demise...
Had the soviets tried to run and hide, the eventual weight of the US might have tipped the balance back
In any case clearly better team play by the axis and stronger morale... Its amazing how many games are simply won by the team with the highest morale who fight on to the end... We've seen games where one side or the other was "in the ropes" but just hung on and came back and games where one side or the other hust gave up after some big lost battle or chain of battles event though "the fat lady had not sung yet"... Something to ponder for the future.
On Thursday at 19:00, yes ?
Re the game:
Axis went all out for air
UK was not able to hold the axis onslaught and was reduced to a few possessions in Africa and atlantic islands
US was handicapped by some bugs which led to low WE and a real IC level inferior to that of Italy for a several years + unexplained control of iceland/greenland by Germany after danish annexation... this was particularly bothersome as the germans entrenched there and with japanese air and submarines closed the sea lanes to UK
SU was strong on land but could not compete in the air and although barberossa started in 1942 only was therefore not able to contain the axis on its own in the east..
Meanwhile the US was ramping up, but catching accumulated lost ICs was a long process...-after the start of Barberossa US was also dedicating some 200 IC per day to produce supplies for the soviet- only in November 42 the US was at last ready to liberate UK, with close to 200 divs available some 70 of which were armor and mech and adequate air support in the form of advanced fighters , navs and tacs plus over a 100 transport for the logistics...
by that time however SU had been decisively beaten it seems... not being able to follow closely the events on the eastern front one can only make assumptions... assumptions are that the soviets choose to stand and fight (and hit back) this bled the germans but eventually led to the soviet demise...
Had the soviets tried to run and hide, the eventual weight of the US might have tipped the balance back
In any case clearly better team play by the axis and stronger morale... Its amazing how many games are simply won by the team with the highest morale who fight on to the end... We've seen games where one side or the other was "in the ropes" but just hung on and came back and games where one side or the other hust gave up after some big lost battle or chain of battles event though "the fat lady had not sung yet"... Something to ponder for the future.
a few things
I would like to disagree on the fact that I was inadequate in the air, my air defenses were very good infact, I don't contribute my loss to that fact, it was due to tactical errors...which I could not do too many of, and the fact that I faced all 3 axis who could muster most of their mass on my doorstep....a LOT of italian and jap divisions...
In the end there, I could not run and hide in the mountains, I would get bitter peace quick, and he would hardly need his entire army to contain me anymore, at this point you would probably face his entire pzcorps and a large part of his airpower and mechs..in the west...and that only IF you'd ever get anything over by boat..which I doubt.
Jan
I would like to disagree on the fact that I was inadequate in the air, my air defenses were very good infact, I don't contribute my loss to that fact, it was due to tactical errors...which I could not do too many of, and the fact that I faced all 3 axis who could muster most of their mass on my doorstep....a LOT of italian and jap divisions...
In the end there, I could not run and hide in the mountains, I would get bitter peace quick, and he would hardly need his entire army to contain me anymore, at this point you would probably face his entire pzcorps and a large part of his airpower and mechs..in the west...and that only IF you'd ever get anything over by boat..which I doubt.
Jan