Deg 6

[Janster]

player status

I've played so much I'm willing to relinquish my position as SU or JAP incase Tomar wants too, since he didn't get to play last time, I suggest you just show up Tomar and we'll find a place for you.

With regards
Janster

 

[unmerged(18748)]

Hi! you seem to have all the people you need for this session, but if there is a vacant spot I would love to join as France today.

Btw France should not be allowed gold-tech from human players and IF France falls (hehe) they should be forced to accept Vichy.

 

[Janster]

I have no problem with that.

 

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Re: player status

Originally posted by Janster
I've played so much I'm willing to relinquish my position as SU or JAP incase Tomar wants too, since he didn't get to play last time, I suggest you just show up Tomar and we'll find a place for you.

I agree. I can leave Italy for him also if I at least get to play the usual minor.

Guess we will have a 8 player game.

 

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I'm interested in getting back into this but Wednesdays are not good for me and I'm still stuck on 1.05 because of an unfinished MP game with another group (we play every Saturday).

If there are now more players than one game can accommodate, I suggest that you consider having more than one game running in parallel. To avoid confusion and make scheduling easier, I suggest that each game be dedicated to a particular day in the week. For example, the game that starts today could be the DEG Tuesday game and is only played on that day. Those who play tomorrow could start a separate DEG Wednesday game.

Andrew

 

[juv95hrn]

I have tried to update the second post of this thread of player configuration of how people would like to play. I might have misunderstood it but this is my impression so far. Im usre we can sort things out at 18.00.


Conclusion of house rule discussion:

Regarding Gold tech share and AI CW states we seem to be more or less in agreeance that this should be allowed.

Regarding Italy and the DOW thing Im sure it can be balanced out with huge exp forces from the allies to Russia... it just feels unnatural to do it.

I will suggest a maximum of three divisions as exp forces to a non-allied country. No restricitons to an ally of course.

Seems most people are against preventing the starvation of Chinese forces.

I have removed invasions of SA as being exploits.

 

[Janster]

Deg hoi

I'm glad that our DEG games are so popular, but hosting several at once has many problems...

Seemingly only a 1 mbit + link can manage a game, even though most of us have broadband or ADSL we cannot host a game as we either have too narrow bands or capped upload...

So the few that can host I guess will be overworked hehe

Janster

 

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DETTA SUGER FETT

Alltså för helvete; om det var bestämt(ändrat till) 19.00 kan man ju för fan inte ändra det kvällen innan o utgå från att alla är online DEN kvällen o läser "posten"!!

Näää, jag tycker att det suger fett!!

Okej, nu har jag lugnat mig lite o vill däför lägga fram ett förslag;

Om vi har bestämt en tid så håller vi oss till DEN o ändrar inte föränn ALLA har godkännt det eller tackat nej till att deltaga.

 

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In last deg game i was leading Italy and my reason for not joining Axis on west front was because UK/allied had 113 ships in one stack and xx divisions while i had 10 divisions from spain to romania and 39 war ships and near 50 divisions in SU. It will be suicadal move to join axis in that situation and im not a kamikaze. I think that was BIG allied mistake for not dow-ing Italy, they could puppet me in 3 weeks and germans (jan) didnt have any bigger mobile army to help me. So allies lost war because their where afraid of 40 dissent, and germans had free hands on east.


Tom_HR

 

[Janster]

well

While I agree that you were vulnerable, I had first 25 divs in west..then more than 30+ ..and that was a rather huge mobile reserve aswell, they would have been given the rough treatment.
Even if you fell, they would never been able to budge me

Also the allies were so weak it was hopeless for them to field a counter attack at this stage

Janster

 

[juv95hrn]

Regarding Italy they can do as they choose fx attacking Russia without joining the axis. On the other hand we have no limit on number of exp forces that can be lent to a human player. Allied forces under Russian command can thus attack Italian possessions.

Concerning the moved starting time today it was due to a misunderstanding. Next tuesday we can't play until 19.00 but instead it was said that we should start 19.00 today when we could start 18.00. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

EDIT:
As I have explained before the reason for the axis winning the DEG5 campaign was my fault since I pursued too heavy research and too little troop construction. I was near to having reserached advanced heavy tanks when the Germans struck but I had almost no troops in my pool. It was a gamble that didnt pay off. Last time I was Russia I had over 500 medium quality divisions and that didnt help me since the allies was crushed so I hoped that Germany would wait until later this time. They didn't and I lost. I held off Germany with absolutely no support from the allies for 2.5 years but in the end my lack of heavy tanks cost me the game. I was trying to repair that mistake this time but failed.

No one was interested in a house rule against Italy only waging war against Russia so we will not use it.

 

[Janster]

hehe

The middle road is always better

Anyhow live learn etc, playing germany is much about finding the right moment to strike, plus having the army to back that tough face up.

Playing SU is about holding out, keepin the german at bay, its not expected that you win alone, but that you don't collapse immediatly.

Altough there are many nations involved, sometimes even your best wont be enough if shit has happened elsehwere ..
Some will learn from mistakes though

Janster

 

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Soviet Strategy

You should not blame yourself Juv. The soviet has to make some decisions, but it is the axis who call the tune. They can

- Attack early (as early as 37)
- Attack late with heavy tanks and technological advantage (as late as 41)
- Take the middle road (39/40)

they can focus on :
- Infantry
- or tanks
- or planes (less powerful now but used to be a game breaker)
in quantity and quality

they can strike from one direction (germany/poland) or several italy amphib land and thru middle east, japan in far east)

There is no fool prof defense... you cant cover all the bases.... so you try to anticipate and prepare for the most likely type of attack...


The approach I took yesterday is to turn the tables on the axis , we will see what comes out.

 

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Next Session ?

So when is the next session ?

Still Thursday at 21:30 CET ?

 

[Janster]

hmm

Your strategy yesterday more or less excluded the USA player from the entire game, as the fight we now face will never include them at all, its 38, your tech is garbage, and US is at 26% and thats high cause we did some eatin of our own.

Basically there is a fight here, but with this option having a US player is basically pointless.
It was a selfish act which has lead the game to one future conclusion, win or loose against the germans, US will never join this war.

Also I find no longer a reason to fight US or UK, so you will be fighting me aswell as Germany, your hopes of winning are very slim indeed.

Janster

 

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I have one proposal regarding to exp forces. I consider for exploit if we say UK (which in not in war with italy )move his ships near Rome and then give them to SU or some third nation which is in war with Italy and land immediately, so I suggest if someone is sending exp forces to another country that forces must start from that country, so defenders have time to spot that army/fleet

What do you say?


Tom_HR

 

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Originally posted by Tom_HR
In last deg game i was leading Italy and my reason for not joining Axis on west front was because UK/allied had 113 ships in one stack and xx divisions while i had 10 divisions from spain to romania and 39 war ships and near 50 divisions in SU. It will be suicadal move to join axis in that situation and im not a kamikaze. I think that was BIG allied mistake for not dow-ing Italy, they could puppet me in 3 weeks and germans (jan) didnt have any bigger mobile army to help me. So allies lost war because their where afraid of 40 dissent, and germans had free hands on east.

Maybe the allies should have dowed you but the point is that the 40 per cent dissent is not reasonable. Maybe 5 percent dissent (maximum!) is reasonable for UK dowing Italy when Italy is fighting the Red Army together with UK's enemy Germany.

If Italy is allowed to not join Axis while waring on SU I say UK and US can send an infite amount of exp divs to Italy on SU's account (landing from neutral ships). It makes as much sense.

[discussion on new DEG rule]Tomars post made me think that maybe we should ban German dow on any nation before Treaty of Munich?[/discussion on new DEG rule]

Do we finish (continue) Deg 6? I am prepared to do so but I'd like to hear juv and Mad's view on things.

 

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Re: Soviet Strategy

Originally posted by Tomar
You should not blame yourself Juv. The soviet has to make some decisions, but it is the axis who call the tune. They can

- Attack early (as early as 37)
- Attack late with heavy tanks and technological advantage (as late as 41)
- Take the middle road (39/40)

they can focus on :
- Infantry
- or tanks
- or planes (less powerful now but used to be a game breaker)
in quantity and quality

they can strike from one direction (germany/poland) or several italy amphib land and thru middle east, japan in far east)

There is no fool prof defense... you cant cover all the bases.... so you try to anticipate and prepare for the most likely type of attack...


The approach I took yesterday is to turn the tables on the axis , we will see what comes out.

You have understood nothing of what Russia is and how it should be played.

 

[juv95hrn]

It seems Mad does'nt want the UK anymore and I'm not going to take it. I had to abandon the US last session and I see little reason to go back to it after being AI controlled and at very low WE in 1938. I didn't start DEG to have to skip around between nations but the opposite. The save is available if anyone wants it.

 

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Maybe 5 percent dissent (maximum!) is reasonable for UK dowing Italy when Italy is fighting the Red Army together with UK's enemy Germany.

su gets 10 for dow and juv was on 0 in no time so if you could kick one axis player for 40 dissent you should do it (uk is better choice in that case then usa)

If Italy is allowed to not join Axis while waring on SU I say UK and US can send an infite amount of exp divs to Italy on SU's account (landing from neutral ships). It makes as much sense.

Landing from neutrals ships??? Then i ( as Italy, can join axis , send some transports as exp to germans, he load some tanks/inf) i leave axis before war starts, and move ships near uk and land them there without any danger from uk fleet, thats stupid its pure exploit!! exp forces must start from country which recives them and not from neutral ships.

Tom_HR