Defensive planning

[Denkt]

You can also build forts, put low level forts in your border provinces or there you plan to have your defensive line may punish an attacker alot.

 

[kalauer]

you get an dig-in bonus instead, tho.

Yeah, I was referring to the planning system, of which the dug-in bonus is not a part.

 

[fabius]

You can draw defensive lines, just as you can draw offensive ones. Simply draw an defensive line behind the river and they will get into position there and dig in.

Thanks, I had not seen that. Good to know.

But concerning counter attacks- they've said that troops move to border. So can we draw a counter attack line from a defensive line into or through our own provinces??

 

[kalauer]

Thanks, I had not seen that. Good to know.

But concerning counter attacks- they've said that troops move to border. So can we draw a counter attack line from a defensive line into or through our own provinces??

Counter-attacks are maybe rather a tactical element. But on a strategic Level, I believe you can combine an offensive plan with a frontline/fallback line. Just start the plan when you feel the time to strike has come.

 

[fabius]

Counter-attacks are maybe rather a tactical element. But on a strategic Level, I believe you can combine an offensive plan with a frontline/fallback line. Just start the plan when you feel the time to strike has come.

Tactical. Or think bigger operational level to get the juicy planning bonus while their org is still lower from their own attacks

 

[kalauer]

Yeah, these would certainly be the days to remember if such a plan succeeded.

edit: Which immediately reminds me of Clausewitz in "on war", as he stresses the (my humble translation efforts) momentum of the offensive alot in one specific chapter.

 

[GsusNSV]

You can't 'plan' a counter attack. (Like falling back and then attack.) Offensive lines need a frontline (so only on the border.) In one of the WWW, I think, we saw that creating a fallback line, replaced the front line. (The troops also immediately started to move to the fallback line.)
So no front line anymore -> no offensive line -> no planning bonus

a front line needs to be drawn only on the border of an enemy, so if you hold back troops as to hide them you cant get them the bonus. they need to be in position for it to start ticking up (and a good thing it is so you can get some heads up that a front is heating up)

Does the fall back line plan grant a bonus also?
fallback line doesnt give bonus, it needs to be an offensive plan. but there is also entrenchment giving you bonuses on defense to make up for it.

Edit: While you can still plan it in your head and execute it, you won't get any planing bonuses.

 

[kalauer]

(The troops also immediately started to move to the fallback line.).

This seems odd. What is the point of a falback line if you move there immediately? But in General, I am unsure whether fallback line and offensive planning can be combined. But I see no immediate reason, mechanic-wise, why they shouldn't.

Imagine both sides of the border beeing loaded up with troops, plans drawn,and starting to tick up. If one would lose the planning bonus after one had to fall back ( due to the enemy attacking with his planning Bonus), it would just mean first come first serve on planning Bonus. It might be relative: When you are pushed back too much the previous plan is of course obsolete, but maybe one or two provinces (hence the fallback line) should not destroy your whole plan. Speaking from a gameplay-perspective, not necessarily realism!

 

[GsusNSV]

This seems odd. What is the point of a falback line if you move there immediately? But in General, I am unsure whether fallback line and offensive planning can be combined. But I see no immediate reason, mechanic-wise, why they shouldn't.

From the Battle Planner DD:

Fallback Line:
This lets you paint a line useful both for say setting up a defensive position behind a river or other position (for example a coastline). They are very useful for falling back in a controlled manner as well by reassigning your attackers to it they will instantly rush back and hold that point instead (I do recommend leaving some defenders to slow the enemy during your retreat).

For the second part, I think you won't loose your planning bonus, when you are attacked. Just activate your own plan and slug it out. May even be worth to wait a bit longer and getting pushed back, for the extra % planning bonus.?
What is nearly, what you wanted.

 

[kalauer]

From the Battle Planner DD:


For the second part, I think you won't loose your planning bonus, when you are attacked. Just activate your own plan and slug it out. May even be worth to wait a bit longer and getting pushed back, for the extra % planning bonus.?
What is nearly, what you wanted.

They fall back there immediately if you assign them to it. But I remember that they should also go there when they are driven back from the front line, which would be the application we are looking for. If they then could start the original plan from there, that would be the thing.

Question is, how long so you get to Keep your Bonus after being pushed back from the original front line? Guess we'll have to see.

 

[EntropyAvatar]

Surely I'm not the only one who will have Backhand Blow plans drawn up and ready to go for June of 1941.

How would that work, exactly? Does the game even allow you to draw "offensive plans" to conquer territory that you currently own?

 

[kalauer]

In post #27 is a quote that says no.