Defender of the Faith and co-belligerent

[kente]

I'm going to load a game and i need to know something:
i want declare war to a Gujarat (Shia religion) and i want make co-belligerent Baluchistan (Sunni religion). Nobody is the DotF of Shia, but Ottoman is Dotf of Sunni.
So if i declare war to Gujarat and make co-belligerent Baluchistan, Ottomans will be join the war or not?
only the DotF of the province who i declare war will be call or the DotF of every co-belligerent?

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I wish I could help you out with this fake difficulty, but I don't know the answer either. I'll keep an eye out in case someone does. If the UI were decent, the game would tell you who could join the war based on current possible CTAs, but it's given us enough examples where it isn't decent with UI to the point where you can't trust it.

 

[kente]

i suppose the same problem will be with the HRE too, if i declare a war to a nation and i make co-belligerent a member of the HRE the Emperor will join?

it would be nice if the devs could make a thread with all those example and clearly explain how works this new mechanic, specially for something important as declaring war

 

[kente]

if anyone is interestd, i have started another game just to check this:
In my example if i attack Gujarat (Shia) and make co-belligerent Baluchistan (Sunni), the DotF of Sunni (Ottoman) will not join the war.
Same it happens with the HRE, for example if i attack the Papal State and make co-belligerent Savoy the Emperor will not join the war.

 

[Bragi]

... which is weird, depite being in your favour in this case, because as far as I understood the patchnotes/announcements, you get all the advantages and disadvantages for declaring it a full belligerent, like you would DOW on it in a seperate war.

 

[kente]

... which is weird, depite being in your favour in this case, because as far as I understood the patchnotes/announcements, you get all the advantages and disadvantages for declaring it a full belligerent, like you would DOW on it in a seperate war.

yeah it's weird, but i don't know if this is WAD or a bug. Anyway someone of Paradox team will probably read this thread and will know about this issue

 

[tfjs]

is the DotF bugged? as a sunni DotF I don't get asked to join wars against my fellow sunni; e.g. Portugal attacking Morocco - as DotF I thought I would else you aren't defending anything?

 

[TheMeInTeam]

is the DotF bugged? as a sunni DotF I don't get asked to join wars against my fellow sunni; e.g. Portugal attacking Morocco - as DotF I thought I would else you aren't defending anything?

DotF seems to have some kind of proximity check. Undocumented and to the point where the game UI will straight up lie to you and say otherwise, of course.

Thank you for looking into this one OP, that's interesting information.

 

[zdlugasz]

DotF seems to have some kind of proximity check. Undocumented and to the point where the game UI will straight up lie to you and say otherwise, of course.

Thank you for looking into this one OP, that's interesting information.

Well, before people complained that attacking in Europe caused that e.g. Brunei (DotF) joined war, etc.
So I guess that they tried to limit it.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Well, before people complained that attacking in Europe caused that e.g. Brunei (DotF) joined war, etc.
So I guess that they tried to limit it.

The problem isn't what they tried to limit, the problem is that well over a year after release, the game and its patch notes actively misinform the player. If Brunei isn't going to join...heck if it isn't even going to get a CTA, why does the game go out of its way to tell you they will?

 

[tfjs]

It is also wrong - if North Africa is attacked by christian Iberia the DotF Ottos should (IMO) get a CTA, but they don't and without intervention it ends up with Spain, Naples and Portugal taking pieces out of Morroc and Tunisa, this doesn't seem in the Ottos best interests

 

[TheMeInTeam]

It is also wrong - if North Africa is attacked by christian Iberia the DotF Ottos should (IMO) get a CTA, but they don't and without intervention it ends up with Spain, Naples and Portugal taking pieces out of Morroc and Tunisa, this doesn't seem in the Ottos best interests

Maybe it checks same-continent? I did get CTA as Tabby --> Persia in India, but when I was Sunni in Africa I didn't get calls in Asia.

This would make DotF for Ottos pretty junky though since the only European Sunnis are the Ottos and 3 hordes.

 

[kente]

Maybe it checks same-continent? I did get CTA as Tabby --> Persia in India, but when I was Sunni in Africa I didn't get calls in Asia.

This would make DotF for Ottos pretty junky though since the only European Sunnis are the Ottos and 3 hordes.

well in my game if i try to declare to Timurids or any other Sunni countries in India region, Ottoman will join the war or at least the UI say so, i didn't try, but i will do today or tomorrow and i will say better.
Maybe DotF should have at least a province in that continent?
Anyway with the new co-belligerents mechanic it seems often there are some unexpected (at least for the players) effects