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You get a temporary CB against any nation that declares war on a nation that is of your faith. You get the CB even if the nation that declared war has the same religion.
This is usually an unattractive and uncertain way of obtaining CB. It is generally much less expensive to improve relations, get the a nation into alliance, insult them, declare war on a country you want to go to war on, invite the ally to war, and DOW the ally with CB when he backs out of the alliance. Or in many cases, a royal marriage and claiming the throne would even be a less expensive way of getting CB.
This is usually an unattractive and uncertain way of obtaining CB. It is generally much less expensive to improve relations, get the a nation into alliance, insult them, declare war on a country you want to go to war on, invite the ally to war, and DOW the ally with CB when he backs out of the alliance. Or in many cases, a royal marriage and claiming the throne would even be a less expensive way of getting CB.
What else?
I think becoming Defender of Faith is useless and too expensive because we can lose the title if we lose in war.
I think becoming Defender of Faith is useless and too expensive because we can lose the title if we lose in war.
I think you get a higher chance of getting random events that converts provinces to your state religion. I'm only talking of my own experience. I'm not sure if this actually is the case.
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one negative thing:
different religion provinces are more rebellious
generally i dont think its worth bothering with
but the AI likes to claim it then promptly loses it (think spain)
different religion provinces are more rebellious
generally i dont think its worth bothering with
but the AI likes to claim it then promptly loses it (think spain)
Nope no event triggers on you being SDOTF
No different religious provinces are probably less likely to rebel as you have one more religious slider to play with (and one whiich you can set to 0: CRC religion)
I agree. DoF is too expensive, and the benefits are not good enough to cover the cost.
how hard would it be to change the pros and cons of SDOTF?
equally, how hard would it be to create a trigger for it...this would open up some interesting modding options.
equally, how hard would it be to create a trigger for it...this would open up some interesting modding options.
Originally posted by BiB
It's crap
it honestly needs a bit tweaking to be worth it, I think it should be made a viable option at the least.
it is just psychological,
When I play a specific religion and want to be the bulwark or I declare myself its defender.
But yes, it is far to expensive.
When I play a specific religion and want to be the bulwark or I declare myself its defender.
But yes, it is far to expensive.
The sole Defender of the Faith
Pros:
You can use it multiple times.
You will only lose it if you lose a war.
It may have other advantages concerning military and economic issues.(I am not sure.)
Cons:
It is expensive.(1000?)
It restricts your foreign policy.(You can´t buy a peace.)
There are cheaper ways to have CB.
Possibly more troubles with provinces that have other religion than the national religion.(I am not sure.)
I don´t use it because it is expensive and the foreign policy will be restricted if I want to keep it.
Pros:
You can use it multiple times.
You will only lose it if you lose a war.
It may have other advantages concerning military and economic issues.(I am not sure.)
Cons:
It is expensive.(1000?)
It restricts your foreign policy.(You can´t buy a peace.)
There are cheaper ways to have CB.
Possibly more troubles with provinces that have other religion than the national religion.(I am not sure.)
I don´t use it because it is expensive and the foreign policy will be restricted if I want to keep it.
Yep, that is the reason. If you make a peace and give something, money or land for peace you lose that war. As far as I understand it doesn´t matter if you give 25 ducats or 10 provinces but in both cases you lose the war and if you have the title "Defender of Faith" you will also lose it. That title is too expensive to acquire because the price is 1000 ducats. You can spend that amount of money in a much lucrative or necessary way.(province buildings, military etc.)
Seems like most agree that it's fairly useless...begs the question: In what ways can it be modified to make it useful?
What about giving a bonus to troop morale?
What about giving a bonus to troop morale?
I disagree. I think it's well worth it. For instance you have a large empire and are a good boy, nobody declares war on you. A large neighbor is sucking down minors on your borders, this must be stopped. Better to spend the 1k gold than 5k trying to get your stability back up.