Defections

[NitramDatsgnos]

But core doesn't work, or else Gotland would be able to defect to Denmark and Cyprus (after revolter enddate) to the Ottomans.

I thought so too, until I actually saw Malta defect to the Knights yesterday in a game using the Feb 1st beta. It was not through the event. Maybe it was fixed.

IMO defections across water should be made possible, core or not core. Primarily to same cultured countries, secondarily to countries with the same religion as the rebelling province, if there are no adjacent countries to defect to.

 

[Nikolai II]

I thought so too, until I actually saw Malta defect to the Knights yesterday in a game using the Feb 1st beta. It was not through the event. Maybe it was fixed.

Once again, I'm 98% sure that malta can defect to the knights because it is listed in the knights 'minimum' row in revolt.txt, since only Malta can defect.

 

[Alexandre]

For a province to defect to a given country, it must either border it or be its core province.

Since Malta is an island (and doesn't border any country), if it defects it can only defect to KNI.

Hey! That just hppened in my game. I never saw it before, though. Could this be a Feb 1 change? We'll have to see if it happens with any other islands that are someone else's core.

If that is the reason, then we've got island cores serving to direct defections in those cases.

Otherwise, the conseunsus seems to be that other defections are random, only requiring a common border, with religion, culture, cores, number of neighboring provinces (above 1) not having any bearing upon the decision.

I'll also mention that it looks like the country that a province will defect to is predetermined since reloads don't change it. (Makes sense, since reloads don't affect success of missionaries either -- well, not any more).

Alexandre

 

[kurtbrian]

Hey! That just hppened in my game. I never saw it before, though. Could this be a Feb 1 change? We'll have to see if it happens with any other islands that are someone else's core.

If that is the reason, then we've got island cores serving to direct defections in those cases.

Otherwise, the conseunsus seems to be that other defections are random, only requiring a common border, with religion, culture, cores, number of neighboring provinces (above 1) not having any bearing upon the decision.

I'll also mention that it looks like the country that a province will defect to is predetermined since reloads don't change it. (Makes sense, since reloads don't affect success of missionaries either -- well, not any more).

Alexandre

Nope I've seen it many times before.

 

[Nikolai II]

Nope I've seen it many times before.

Kids of today, eh?

I think they play too little and hang around these fora too much, or what say you, KB?

 

[bombshellboi]

I had a game where i was playing as Scotland and I had taken Flanders from Burgundy in a war - and England later went to war with France and retook Calais, Picardie, Caux, and Normandie from them.

Those provinces promptly revolted away from England.
Caux, Picardie, and Normandie all returned to their King in France - but Calais defected to me in Scotland.

Was quite surprised - but pleased nonetheless.

I think Defections are calculated by EVERYTHING>

I think it all has a factor - same culture, religion, cores etc.

 

[unmerged(20844)]

i think it's either very random, or a result of some very weird calculation where the wrong things are taken into account.
of course, i have to say provinces often defect logically, i.e. to a country that would normally control it. but yesterday i saw this...
england has all provinces around Artois, except For Ile de France, which is owned by France. Artois was prperty of Burgundy and when it defected it went to england. they had already lost french culture and didnt have cores on Artois. given the fact that France has both French culture and a core on the provinces i must think it happened because Artois borders 1 French province and much more english ones (3-5)

 

[Alexandre]

Kids of today, eh?

Kid? It hasn't been years since the last person called me a kid, it's been decades. Still, I'd like to think that I'm young at heart.

 

[Nikolai II]

Kid? It hasn't been years since the last person called me a kid, it's been decades. Still, I'd like to think that I'm young at heart.

I refer to some (several) of my friends as 'kids' too, yet they are older than me in years.