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Well, that was very very interesting.

It's LAME only because people don't want to fight until they have the "perfect" set up. Of course, it would help if the Alliance leader didn't send out stupid peace offers. :rofl:

There never would have been a war against England if I hadn't DoWed when I did. I took the initiative because the English fleet was stuck in the Mediterranean Sea, so I had time to land an army on the Island. If instead of sitting there worrying about getting it right, y'all had simply sailed right to the Channel, I could have reinforced and would have had more than the two provinces I already had taken. As it was, I was getting ready to toss in another 250K plus to the island when the stupid peace hit.

Now, how to make this all sound good on the AAR... :eek: :wacko: :rolleyes:
 

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Yes, and his namesake Frederik V of Denmark will soon be satisfied as well :) Perhaps we could fix the deal by edit?

you mean this fake war provinces?, i think there is some kind of penalty for swapping provinces by edits
 

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Aladar said:
Well i do believe that Venice was more that lenient for only demanding 4 provinses.

It was gall and wormwood :p
 

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DSYoungEsq said:
There never would have been a war against England if I hadn't DoWed when I did. I took the initiative because the English fleet was stuck in the Mediterranean Sea, so I had time to land an army on the Island. If instead of sitting there worrying about getting it right, y'all had simply sailed right to the Channel, I could have reinforced and would have had more than the two provinces I already had taken. As it was, I was getting ready to toss in another 250K plus to the island when the stupid peace hit.

We sailed to Channel, we just wanted to gather fleet and we even did this, but than some freak pacifist in Paris decieded it is time to sign cheap peace.
 

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Kanth said:
you mean this fake war provinces?, i think there is some kind of penalty for swapping provinces by edits
Ok, dow is made already, let's finish it normally.

By the way, another great session. I also want to point out that Denmark is the fastest rising country in the world economically. +50% on these 19 years isn't all shame. Great that France came back and balance became a little stirred, especially trade-wise. Danish trade is higher than ever before.
 

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Yes, you will notice that the country that tried to stir up things trade wise was France. Same as with the DoW, the first Trade Embargo came from Paris.

Kudos to HAL, though for picking up the ball and running with it into a full blown trade war. Once I figured out that Delhi was a free CoT, kicking England out of it was quite satisfying, and began to hurt her economically.

A little.

Maybe. :eek:
 

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DSYoungEsq said:
Yes, you will notice that the country that tried to stir up things trade wise was France. Same as with the DoW, the first Trade Embargo came from Paris.

Kudos to HAL, though for picking up the ball and running with it into a full blown trade war. Once I figured out that Delhi was a free CoT, kicking England out of it was quite satisfying, and began to hurt her economically.

A little.

Maybe. :eek:
Definitely has. According to stats, her yearly income has diminished with nearly 25%. All of her enemies, however, have gone up. Very interesting.
 

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Mats_SX said:
Definitely has. According to stats, her yearly income has diminished with nearly 25%. All of her enemies, however, have gone up. Very interesting.
Actually, if you look at it, England's trade income has been hammered. She had 4336d the in 1732, and in the last year had only 1800d!!! :eek:

She lost 80 merchants, and the monthly trade income went down to 152d from 373d!!!. Yikes.

Perhaps England should have been somewhat less trade greedy? :rofl:

France went up a little. I consider this a victory. :cool:
 

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She lost 80 merchants, and the monthly trade income went down to 152d from 373d!!!. Yikes.

It was around 230 when I was still around :p the real hit must have been occured in the last few years after I crashed. Considering that I was up against Spain, France and Venice without having time to get accustomed to the diplomatic web I consider myself as successfull though since I was able to keep all important provinces, as well holding the navy and army together (a few losses during the French invasion). Furthermore I expanded the defenses at a few crucial spots.
 
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SorelusImperion said:
It was around 230 when I was still around :p the real hit must have been occured in the last few years after I crashed. Considering that I was up against Spain, France and Venice without having time to get accustomed to the diplomatic web I consider myself as successfull though since I was able to keep all important provinces, as well holding the navy and army together (a few losses during the French invasion). Furthermore I expanded the defenses at a few crucial spots.
I think it would have been VERY hard as a sub to come in and handle that England. It's damn big, and busy. :rofl:

Thank you, by the way! Sometimes we forget to say that to subs. :)
 

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Well it was a good session for Venice. 4 balcan provinses from OE which are core culture, increased manpower, production- and goldincome, +16 merchants worldwide, large techboost which brought me much closer to my rivals and we still control the largest army in the world.

Could have been better had the war against England lastet longer and not ended in that damn Chinese provinses to Venice.
 

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Aladar said:
Well it was a good session for Venice. 4 balcan provinses from OE which are core culture, increased manpower, production- and goldincome, +16 merchants worldwide, large techboost which brought me much closer to my rivals and we still control the largest army in the world.

Could have been better had the war against England lastet longer and not ended in that damn Chinese provinses to Venice.
Consider it a beachhead in the next invasion. It will teach you not to take non-CoT provinces first. :p
 

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It was either the provinses with lowest fortress and no troops or the one with higher fortress and 60k troops. I desided to go for the easy prey to have a beachead.
 
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Sorry for giving such a short notice. I'll be there next tuesday if necessary (I assume no perm has been found?).

I understand from the comments in the thread that a mini-gangbang has taken place and England was defeated, with Chinese provinces going to Venice? And Spain has broken a NAP?

Can someone make a summary for me?
 

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England/Russia against OE ended with Alex, Egypt and Perm.

Then after a while France started a tradewar agaist England. Venice, OE and Spain joined and embargoed England.

Later France started a real war against England and Venice joined. France landed troops in England prime, with the english fleet in the medd. Venice landed troops in China (the provinses below Shaghai). OE and Spain joined (i think) but then France decided to stabhit England for 1 chinese provinses and England accepted.

France did redow, but was forced for sign peace, as truce may not be broken. At the time of the first dow, dutch, danes and germans invaded Austria and kicked him i think. In the end OE dow'ed Austria and is currently invading.

Despite several problems with HAL in the beginning, we did make decent time going on normal between wars and slow/bn in the minor wars.
 

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Heya guys,

Sorry for giving such a short notice. I'll be there next tuesday if necessary (I assume no perm has been found?).

I understand from the comments in the thread that a mini-gangbang has taken place and England was defeated, with Chinese provinces going to Venice? And Spain has broken a NAP?

Can someone make a summary for me?
Well, um, let's just say that more "ept" gangbangings have occurred. :rofl:

Here is a summary of events during the session:

England was subbed by Sorelius. England and Russia continued their war against the OE, the end result of which was that England got the Alexandria CoT and Russia I believe got some provinces as well, I think managing to finally connect up the Siberian provinces with a land connection.

Venice, smelling blood, immediately attacked, demanding four provinces in central slavic Europe. After a rather half-hearted defense by HAL, who was in pretty bad shape from the prior war, the OE agreed to the demands. However, France began to rattle sabres and said to Venice that taking a fourth province, namely Serbia, was not acceptable. After it looked like war would break out, the OE agreed to the exchange of the province to Venice in return for Venetian financing of a fleet.

At this point, the Anti-English Alliance began to form. France and England had started a trade war when England's traders refused to stop competing French merchants out of their monopolies in the French CoTs. So France banned English merchants from the French CoTs. After about two years, the English responded with their own ban. By this time, the OE was down to the business of bulking up a fleet, so the OE, Venice and Spain joined the trade war, banning the English merchants. Russia, England's newfound stalwart friend, began banning French (and I presume Venetian, Spanish and Turk) merchants. The only winners, of course, were the smaller nations, who swooped in to scoop up open places.

The trade war took a bad turn for England when the French king suddenly realized that Delhi was an "open" CoT. The French promptly flooded the CoT, and managed to compete out the English merchants entirely. This, I think, more than anything else, really began to hurt English trade income.

Meanwhile, as the OE continued to bulk up for naval action, and France sat and twiddled its thumbs waiting to see if anything would actually occur, England and Russia ganged up on the Turks again. Russia DoW'd, and England had the lion's share of its fleet in the Med with troops galore, threatening to join in. The OE gave up right away, and more Turkish provinces were handed over to Russia, including the Astrakhan CoT. But this was a mistake on the part of England, for unbeknownst to them, the French fleet was in the Med, off Provence, taking on about 300K of soldiers. It then set sail for the coast off York.

So, while the English fleet was where it never should have been, the French declared war, and dumped a sizeable army onto the Home Island of the English Empire. York and Lincoln were speedily reduced, then the armies met in a gigantic clash in Essex, where the French troops pulled a victory out of the jaws of defeat, and began chasing the English troops around a bit. Meanwhile, the Venetians readily joined the war, but the Turks and the Spanish dithered, worried that their meticulous preparations were not ready. Venice attacked in China, and had managed to reduce Zhejiang, and was getting ready to attack Shanghai. Finally, the Turkish and Spanish fleets showed up in La Manche, and the French fleet was ready to join them, so that more French troops could be ferried over to continue the attack (English forces had managed to wipe out the French troops, and were working on retaking Lincoln, rebellion having broken out in York).

Then, ineptitude, if you will. The French king, having seen that the WS against France was already above the magic number (France was taking provinces in America speedily), made a stabhitting offer. Without realizing that the province in Asia taken by Venice wasn't the CoT (it's been a while since I've done this MP thing, and I was BUSY, dammit :rolleyes: ), the French offered to peace out for the Chinese province and some minor cash on hand. England ignored this for almost two months (as I had expected they would; we were having FUN, dammit), but then England unexpectedly accepted the peace offer, and all the fun was over.

Now, Venice has a rather uninspiring province in China, the OE has a ton of ships it isn't using, France had to build its troops strength back up (and took a stabhit of major proportions when, not realizing it was against the rules, it broke the truce to reinitiate hostilities - dammit, isn't this game about deceiving and lying and doing generally underhanded stuff?? :p - then had to take a wp), and god knows what, if anything Spain got out of the deal besides a red face.

In other news, while all this stupidity was going on, Prussia and Denmark decided Frederick just HAD to be used, so they ganged up on poor Austria. After some spirited defense, Austria was forced to give in, especially when the OE, licking its wounds, decided to swoop in and recoup something from the whole mess. At session end, the Austrians and the Turks were going at it, but we limited the action to less than two years, since the English sub dropped suddenly with 18 min to go in the session, and England had been a major financer of Austria. I believe someone had loaned about 3K to Austria on account against Enlish promises.

Thus, the session. It really was too bad. It was going to be a splendid war across La Manche. :(


ETA: Or, what Aladar said. :rofl:
 
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Allright, sounds good and thanks for the details :) Looking at the stats it looks like England indeed lost a lot of trade income to the embargoes and it's now behind in trade to the other naval powers.

Fortunately, the empire still is intact and it shouldn't be too much work to increase income.
I cannot blame the Ottomans for trying to take vengeance and it's probably justified Venice joined the attack, given she was bullied in the past. We like to remind Venice we paid well for Sicily though and hoped this improved the relations. Apparently not, and it's duly noted. Wasted ducats.

France and England enjoyed quite friendly relations when Ampo was still at the rudder, but it's only natural a new player judges the situation and focuses on the top dog of the moment. But will France and England stay enemies from now on?
Friedrich is around and Napoleon is coming soon and it might be that you want a more continental focus again. Though, of course, it would be in French interest to let everyone focus on England while being friendly to France, so France will have more a free hand when Napoleon arrives.

And Spain has bluntly betrayed England and this will not be forgotten.

Nevertheless, England is willing to accept this slap on the wrist and behave more modest in international affairs. I have only one session to go afterall.
A gangbang would undoubtedly come and I am sorry for my sub he had to take it instead of myself, but it looks he had fun nonetheless.

EDIT: I am feeling sorry for Ear. He had to face more gangbangs than HAL even and still is around. Kudos to him. I wonder how long he has to pay for his slightly agressive policy of the first three sessions :)
 
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