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admiral drake said:
then my first decision will be give 3 provinces out.
You know, Wonko had prepared "diplomatic failure" of France next session, so favorite by him.
P.S. Drake, i can take it if you stay perm in game after the next session as well.
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Tonio, you're not very regardful of the feelings of the people you play with when they disagree with you- you seem to have a hard time putting yourself in other peoples shoes-, and especially when something bad happens to you. You also have a tendency to drag things out forever in the forum. I don't think anybody who has played with you here will disagree with me about that. That is what I was talking about, and it's one of the prime reasons Ampo wants to quit.
I'm sorry if you think this is unfair to you, but it's something that has to be said. I'm very sad that Ampo thinks he has to quit. I still hope to convince him to stay, under the condition that no more of this sort of thing will be tolerated. But even if he doesn't, you're going to need to relax a little and stop attacking people for these types of reasons.
And that goes for anybody of course, but I don't see anybody else causes trouble.
I'm sorry if you think this is unfair to you, but it's something that has to be said. I'm very sad that Ampo thinks he has to quit. I still hope to convince him to stay, under the condition that no more of this sort of thing will be tolerated. But even if he doesn't, you're going to need to relax a little and stop attacking people for these types of reasons.
And that goes for anybody of course, but I don't see anybody else causes trouble.
Damn right Ampo. Althought i am not playing this game i agree with full heart with your posts in regards to the comments about the rest of the comunity.
Of course dear Bob, and although you know i never quite loved you as you deserved, and even with such a tempting, weak, defenseless target as you in tiny cute NL, i wouldnt attack you simply because of our past grudges. (of course that wouldnt mean i wouldnt attack you - it just means, that, unlike you, i dont attack people due to my relations with them in real life). No need to be afraid of retaliation.
Lets say, that, my patience for certain bullshits is very low, the more so if the game masters do nothing about them. I have left, for example, about 2-3 games for exactly the same reasons as Ampo left this one - outright bad manners from the part of fellow players. The problem resides, mainly on the bad administration of the game by the part of the game masters - just like Ampo, i shouldnt have been the one to leave the game, but, rather, the one that lacked proper education at home. Of course Ampo's situation is somewhat diferent since the problem involved himself and he was the GM - and if he banned Tonio for refusing to apologize for all these insults, he would most probably be called biased (since he would be acting in his own favour one way or another even if correct), and maybe even face extra departures.
Sincerely speaking, it seems that after Daniel's departure, the mould where proper GMs were made, was lost. Thus the reason to so many bullshits in most previous games prior to this one, and to their sudden ending (or to my departure - sufice to say that 90% of the games i left didnt make it to the end).
I frankly wouldnt bother to join the game (if Ampo is truly leaving and there is a need for that), but i would only do such if everyone accepted it - which obviously, is kind of impossible. Bob for one would never tolerate such, maybe even Aladar, i dont know. Possibly John or even FAL. (what i find funny is that i am the one with motives to refuse to play with them, not the other way around)
Tonioz said:
doubtfull so wouldn't count on it
also i refuse to apoligize or release tripoli for breaking the truce with venice when he stool my siege just before tripoli fell
About the simultaneity rule, I'm going to rule for having the three provinces returned.
For Austria's releasing of vassals during the war, I'm going to rule for having those vassals, or vassalages edited out.
For the Ottoman breaking of its truce with Venice, since it didn't accomplish anything, as venice was still able to annex Tripoli anyway. Venice received no punishment for retreating its 25k through an Ottoman vassal earlier, so no punishment(but they cancel each other out).
And that's all that I can remember. Were there any other things that needed to be resolved?
For Austria's releasing of vassals during the war, I'm going to rule for having those vassals, or vassalages edited out.
For the Ottoman breaking of its truce with Venice, since it didn't accomplish anything, as venice was still able to annex Tripoli anyway. Venice received no punishment for retreating its 25k through an Ottoman vassal earlier, so no punishment(but they cancel each other out).
And that's all that I can remember. Were there any other things that needed to be resolved?
John,
I hear you've also been playing HOI II again with the Other Gamer.
My heart is in twain.
I hear you've also been playing HOI II again with the Other Gamer.
My heart is in twain.
King John said:
Heh, in short:
again the issue on the forum was up not by me, i sat quiet. I was ready not to raise it up at all, since i saw my crime is not more than crime of other side. Despite i lost 3 provs, and 80% of my country was freely occupied, losing MP and income greatly.
I felt not regardful relations to me many times from many people, and many times from you. And what ?
As to saying "coward" as you saw my opponent is far to be innocent victim.
Ironically i started at this forum at first year trying to ignore almost all flames, for that i was bitched a lots, i remember devil and others. Thus i came to opinion to say something to defend myself.
You missed part of Wonko`s speech on myself without attention, though it is much more rich than my saying at topic of "coward". I`ve ignored his speculations.
Just he decided to quit, and as result of it, it is the tendency to blame me, and you feel to turn attention to me. As summary, i hardly see myself behaving worse than Wonko.
P.S. Released vassal was reannexed later before the end of the game.
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I have removed all those posts about CK here, because it's offtopic, and it only leads to flamewars here.
Please, no more flamewars about past games here.
Please, no more flamewars about past games here.
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Aladar said:
That was PJL subbing you, not you. He misused the MA with an Ottoman vassal to retreat his army.
King John said:
You should edit out the English vassals (and those of other players with high CEN) and edit gold mine inflation in (with possible a bit extra, because they should have received it a session earlier).
What is the current roster now?
King John said:
I believe OE accomplished to get Tripoli back. Had he not been allowed to DoW me, i would have demanded more in return of it. Or i would still have it. I could have demanded ingame that he peaced me and the new truce would have lastet till end of session.
FAL said:
Serious - that was the previous session, any punishements should have been given last session then. Commited by a sub that might not have known.
Drake sent pirates at me twice to hinder landing in Tripoli and broke the truce. How can that be nullified by what my sub did the session before?
Or should i delete the pirates part, and then take it out later when i break a rule. Then it can nullify that.
Like i said i'm not asking for Tripoli back or anything, but either enforce the rules or delete them. Slap him 3 BB or a wonkie or something atleast.
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FAL said:
Too bad i didnt get to read the other posts after my final one but thanks FAL for doing such.
Which is allowed. I am outraged for this disrespect over the rules.admiral drake said:
I agree with Aladar, that past crimes by someone else can't nullify the way suggested. Also, important is to notice that PJL did a mistake, while Drake most obviously was and is aware of what he did is strictly against the rules. I quote Aladar; either erase the rule or punish OE.
Ok, Aladar, the OE can have +1 inflation for the pirates.
And that's the ****ing final decision on that. I'm not going to play the game where one person brings one thing up to me, then another one brings another thing up, convincing me to change my mind, back and forth again. I'm not going to become involved in any of these petty arguments.
Have you taken care of gold inflation as well, Aladar? I'll take care of the leaders. About Austria's vassals, I'm going to have them released again and then have those vassals edited out for a punishment. What was released?
And that's the ****ing final decision on that. I'm not going to play the game where one person brings one thing up to me, then another one brings another thing up, convincing me to change my mind, back and forth again. I'm not going to become involved in any of these petty arguments.
Have you taken care of gold inflation as well, Aladar? I'll take care of the leaders. About Austria's vassals, I'm going to have them released again and then have those vassals edited out for a punishment. What was released?
HolisticGod said:
I may have spent a night with him, yes. It was a great time, but you've got to know that my heart is only for you.