I don't understand why Poland should be edited, I don't understand why EGO is around here arguing and I don't understand what the problem with Austria is, as Ear has already asked us to drop the case.
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poland situation is easy
ampo ect where going to edit +1centra to poland but forgot
result = poland could not reach centra 7 intime of a very bad event
so now they basicle got to edit the event out
ampo ect where going to edit +1centra to poland but forgot
result = poland could not reach centra 7 intime of a very bad event
so now they basicle got to edit the event out
Do you understand why forums actually exist, or do you want me to tell you that as well?
But you are right. It is a complete waste of time to try to show you that you were very, very unfair to Ear. People dont care about it as far as it doesnt hurt them.
I just hope that one day you will get the same feeling Ear must be getting now.
HAL, i moved only +1 CENT
-20 MP effects only pool, not recruit rate, so forget about them
-20 MP effects only pool, not recruit rate, so forget about them
BurningEGO said:
Ego as all, including Ear, have agreed to drop this matter I kindly ask you to leave it be.
There are many forums in the internet and many subforums in P-Dox. You have my blessings to provide those folks there with all your wisdom. As for our little thread:
Please let us play our campaign without hassle & unnecessary stress. Thank you.
admiral drake said:
Actually HAL posted his edit request a mere 3 hours (18.03.08 15.52 CET) prior to session begin and I was simply unable to allocate the necessary time to this problem then (I was at work and had to talk to my employer (the bengali chic who´s dissertation I corrected).
Anyways I personally believe these edits are in order. Some folk seem to disagree, however. Those against polish edits are requested to come forward with compelling arguments substantiating their stance.
Anyways I´ll be afk for the next 3 or so hours as I today finally get my Dell Laptop......glorious, glorious day this be.
I am against it because the request was very late. Deadline for edit requests are 1800CET Sunday. As long as Poland is given the other cookies it should've been given (that HAL wanted to trade for +1 Centra), no edits should be made. Also, the rules doesn't say anything on being able to trade cookies for slider movements. We need a ruling here. Should it be allowed to trade cookies for slider movements? IMO, there is no need. So, Poland has a nasty event; it's just a part of playing Poland. HAL and eventual subs didn't do enough to avoid it: it is their mistake. He could've just as well have been at an avoiding point and gotten a random event that decentralises, giving him the event still. I oppose editing, as the request was late and not valid according to written rules.Ampoliros said:Actually HAL posted his edit request a mere 3 hours (18.03.08 15.52 CET) prior to session begin and I was simply unable to allocate the necessary time to this problem then (I was at work and had to talk to my employer (the bengali chic who´s dissertation I corrected).
Anyways I personally believe these edits are in order. Some folk seem to disagree, however. Those against polish edits are requested to come forward with compelling arguments substantiating their stance.
Anyways I´ll be afk for the next 3 or so hours as I today finally get my Dell Laptop......glorious, glorious day this be.
Actually, it was a hamachi bug that prevented HAL for getting that centra so I'm Not against the editing.
HALNY (HAL) said:
It comes to mind that the +2 land event you got may have influenced the outcome of, if not the first war, at least the second war. Tonio probably would have beaten me even without it, but it's hard to say. .2 morale from land, plus .15 morale from quality is .35 morale, and that's a damn high amount of morale. At the very least, both wars would've taken longer, and would've been more expensive for Poland.
So yes, you lost a lot of money, but what about the military bonus Poland gained from it? It had +1 fire too. This is going to take a bit more evaluation. What do other people think?
admiral drake said:well a official statement from the ottoman empire
the ottoman empire will reach trade 4 within 2years after the session starts and has desided to sell tradepositions within the cots controlled by the empire
all nations that do not pay will be embargod permanently
all ai nations that annoy people that do buy spots will be embargod to
we have 3spots in the cots
2spots for 5merchants in all cots of the empire
1spot for monopolizing all cots in the empire
russia is welcome to continiu to monopolise astrakan if he agrees to either not trade in the rest or pay like the rest to trade in the other cots
if kj agrees to either this means that nobody else can monopolise astrakan
venice and austria will be embargod automaticle, there is no discussion about this as they are excluded
offers will have to be send by pm
and the 3highest bids get the rights, highests get right to mono
all bids have to be send before monday
if not enough bids come in i will just embargo all, got enough ai to keep cots alive anyway
Russia's going to adopt a similar policy. It currently has trade four. Anyone who wishes to trade in my cot(s)(perhaps I'll get another one someday) will need to pay for the privilege. I'm going to reserve five spots in Moscow for myself. I'm going to let the OE have four free spots in Moscow in exchange for my mono in Astrakhan. There are 11 slots left available to bidders. If nobody bids, I'm just going to embargo everyone.
You know what guys, lets forget about all of this fixing of Poland. I don't want anyone to accuse me of exploiting edits. I can live without cash for interest rate and I can rise centralisation by event in 1607. I will just need to be allowed to go counter-reform and go back to protestantism (it is before EofT so I need special permission to break rules) in order to choose option with +centra. I will also get +12rr for 2 years if someone thinks I still ask for too much. Is that OK?
About embargoes: OE can do what it want with polish traders, I will probably be not able to trade in Asia, so no matter. But if Russia will dare to provoke Poles with its embargo, We King of The Commonwealth swear to drown Tsar in his soldiers blood
About embargoes: OE can do what it want with polish traders, I will probably be not able to trade in Asia, so no matter. But if Russia will dare to provoke Poles with its embargo, We King of The Commonwealth swear to drown Tsar in his soldiers blood
HALNY (HAL) said:About embargoes: OE can do what it want with polish traders, I will probably be not able to trade in Asia, so no matter. But if Russia will dare to provoke Poles with its embargo, We King of The Commonwealth swear to drown Tsar in his soldiers blood
ottos will not support any matter vs the russian trade policy as i support there desicion
if poland desides to try to undermine the tzars desicion concerning trade it will have to do so without ottoman funding or military support
What's so wrong with using 10-year slider change to get up? It'll take 60 years, the same time it takes for everyone. I don't say I oppose this suggestion, but I must say I fail to understand where Poland has been mistreated and needs special rules?HALNY (HAL) said:
King John said:
I think it's best to not edit Poland at all. They got hurt in a way by not having the centralization, but also benefited from it. And as Mats said, the request for the edit was after the deadline.
King John said:
I bid 100d and a giant purple frowning smiley for trading access in your CoT.
+1 fire and 0.35 morale is A LOT in a war. Still i would do HAL's edits since they were caused by hamachi (not of human nature!). Except for the extra cash HAL asks, for the extra stability and possibly, partly or entirely the deflation he also asks for. These would pay for the extra casualties poland would suffer without the extra morale and, specially, without the extra fire.
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Mats_SX said:
There is nothing wrong with that. But the problem is my slider change did not work due to hamachi bug.
And I ask for "special rules" because after hamachi lags and bugs (I remind I lost war and get 4 lag loans) I did not get any edits. Now in 1607 I will have event which will force Poland to go counter-reformed-catholic if I want rise centralisation. But there is this rule:
Converting from Catholiscism to either Counter-reformed-Catholicism or
Protestantism and then switching back to Catholiscism before the Edict
of Tolerance.
So at least let me choose option with counter-reformed-catholic and than imidiately switch back to protestantism. It will take all my stab and give +12rr.
I really belive I ask for less than I deserve.