Defeat After Deceit

[Mats_SX]

I assume that I have no choice, so i propose to give up:
Nipigon
Nipissing
Matouweskarini
Huron

I will stay with otawatomi, Wendat wich are minor colonies, Denmark will get the rest of colonies and ofcourse 'Huron' wich is the richest and former capital of the huron.

how about that?

Wendat is not a minor colony; it is a city of 1200 pop. If there's one I'd leave out, it's Nipigon, but I doubt you'd want to keep that one. I my opinion, the six provinces is a fair offer, as I did have all mainland occupied (or about to be), and could've asked for more nastiness, like vassalization.

How about we edit out the MA as compensation? I didn't want that anyway, it was just to not leave the war with nothing.

 

[Mats_SX]

Denmark is givin em hell.

Yeah, I would not like to be BBurg in this game. They've had awful luck.

EDIT: btw, guys, Russia should really get the cores on capitals edited in. I mean, I don't mind them not having them... but y'know... KJ needs something extra.

 

[BurningEGO]

Yeah, I would not like to be BBurg in this game. They've had awful luck.

Worst of all, was denmark having german culture.

Gives too much incentive for expansion in germany tbh. Havent seen that around, ever, either. But hey, after what i have seen in my latest game i guess there is a first time for everything... including nasty stuff, eh.

Nevertheless whats up with the stats? The game jumps from 1567 to 1660 and has totaly diferent players on em plus a total different look. Did someone upload a game to your game's stat page by mistake?

 

[unmerged(18425)]

Hmmm....one problem:

The save we are presently using is problematic. France gets the religious war and edict of blood events again (and I´ve gotten them already).

What can we do about this?

Why is a player save put to the stats anyway?

 

[Ampoliros]

Why is a player save put to the stats anyway?

Because the Host crashed at about 22.57 CET (after which we ended the session).

 

[Ampoliros]

Nevertheless whats up with the stats? The game jumps from 1567 to 1660 and has totaly diferent players on em plus a total different look. Did someone upload a game to your game's stat page by mistake?

Timetravel? Alternate Realities?

Or it could perhaps be due to no slots being left at the Stats page (when we started our campaign). Consequently we put the present campaign in an old slot of mine.

 

[Ampoliros]

EDIT: btw, guys, Russia should really get the cores on capitals edited in. I mean, I don't mind them not having them... but y'know... KJ needs something extra.

If they are missing cores they will definitely get them edited in.

 

[PJL]

Because the Host crashed at about 22.57 CET (after which we ended the session).

Well that would explain all the duplicated events then. I recommend host save is used instead (even if this means using the autosave).

 

[unmerged(36826)]

I assume Holland will be present at the start of the next session?

 

[admiral drake]

Well that would explain all the duplicated events then. I recommend host save is used instead (even if this means using the autosave).

well thats impossible, i played arround in sp to test what effect canceling vassals(after talking to tonio) would have and forgot to turn autosave on so i don't have any anymore

just gonna have to sort the events

 

[Ampoliros]

I assume Holland will be present at the start of the next session?

Indeed they will. Welcome to the world.

 

[Aladar]

Last time i tried to make the dutch the game screwed up, so i'll edit in all but that.

 

[unmerged(36826)]

You can't just release them as a vassal from Spain then edit in any modifications?

 

[King John]

Hmmm....one problem:

The save we are presently using is problematic. France gets the religious war and edict of blood events again (and I´ve gotten them already).

What can we do about this?

Load the save in SP, do not click "enter", save, and oila! No more events to worry about.

 

[King John]

If the French had any hope of breaking through the Danish fleet in time, Bra should be left with Wendet. I think Ampo, Max and Kanth are objective enough to determine that, but if needed I'll take a closer look later on. Otherwise, all should certainly go to DK, and MA should be edited out.

About MA though, we will need an elaboration on the rule, because as it stands, technically, if you asked for MA in peace, you would then be able to have another country DOW the one granting the MA for you, and then invite you, allowing you a very cheap victory. We will need a clause that says "if the MA granting country is DOW'd, and the one receiving the MA joins against this nation, the one granting MA is no longer required to maintain MA to this country".



About Brandenburg's edits, ok, 4.7 sounds reasonable to me, pending Ampo's approval. I hadn't realized your economic losses were so bad from the loans.

 

[HALNY (HAL)]

Speaking about lag loans: despite help from OE, during the war with Russia I had 3 of them and now my interests are around -10. Will I get any compensation?

There is also one more much worse thing: I run 1542 save in SP and made some battle simulations. There is no chance russian troops could won most of battles with Tarnowski, even when Voronetski was in charge. Actually they should lost very bad in most cases. I bet russian luck had something to do with that chat bug and my ctds thing. I'm not whining to undo war looses, especially after 2nd war with Russia, but I think Poland did not deserve so miserable shape just because of technical issues. Can I count for some nice cookies?

 

[Ampoliros]

If the French had any hope of breaking through the Danish fleet in time, Bra should be left with Wendet. I think Ampo, Max and Kanth are objective enough to determine that, but if needed I'll take a closer look later on. Otherwise, all should certainly go to DK, and MA should be edited out.

I can safely say that at the time I dowed I would not have been able to break through the danish navy as I had only a few ships.

About MA though, we will need an elaboration on the rule, because as it stands, technically, if you asked for MA in peace, you would then be able to have another country DOW the one granting the MA for you, and then invite you, allowing you a very cheap victory. We will need a clause that says "if the MA granting country is DOW'd, and the one receiving the MA joins against this nation, the one granting MA is no longer required to maintain MA to this country".

Indeed. We can include this clause.

About Brandenburg's edits, ok, 4.7 sounds reasonable to me, pending Ampo's approval. I hadn't realized your economic losses were so bad from the loans.

I´m fine with these edits as I too believe Brandenburg needs to be salvaged somewhat. I am not impartial in this matter, however, and thus I delegate responsibility in this matter to you.

 

[HALNY (HAL)]

A question: do we have any rules about trading posts? Is it allowed to block coast with them? I ask because England builded them beetwen my colony in Delware and lands I toke from natives and in this way splited my territories and cut me from the sea. I really don't like it.

 

[BurningEGO]

There is also one more much worse thing: I run 1542 save in SP and made some battle simulations. There is no chance russian troops could won most of battles with Tarnowski, even when Voronetski was in charge. Actually they should lost very bad in most cases. I bet russian luck had something to do with that chat bug and my ctds thing. I'm not whining to undo war looses, especially after 2nd war with Russia, but I think Poland did not deserve so miserable shape just because of technical issues. Can I count for some nice cookies?

As if you didnt know John's big luck... I remember engaging him with Suleyman on a plain province versus Vorotinski with 200k vs 100k, with cavalry superiority even, and my army got soundly fucked.

Lucky rolls...

As for the chat bug - i do not know what you are refering to, but, did any of you use hamachi, and did anyone else do not use it? If such is the case that is what caused the problem(s). Unless everyone uses hamachi (or does not use it) the game will go to hell. Army numbers may be screwed as well (you might see 20k but in truth it might be 300k). And of course, regarding the CTDs, there are a lot of reasons but you might have crashed when someone initiated diplomatic actions with your country (if hamachi was used in a small scale).

Unless everyone uses hamachi, the player with internet problems might be having problems conecting to every other user that is not using hamachi, causing some big nasty problems for everyone. Last time i played a nappy with some players using hamachi, i even lost Napoleon to the damned AI, lol. Bob and Ear might remember that. o

Bob himself experienced some problems too (i believe he couldnt see my armies at all).

 

[HALNY (HAL)]

As for the chat bug - i do not know what you are refering to, but, did any of you use hamachi, and did anyone else do not use it? If such is the case that is what caused the problem(s). Unless everyone uses hamachi (or does not use it) the game will go to hell. Army numbers may be screwed as well (you might see 20k but in truth it might be 300k). And of course, regarding the CTDs, there are a lot of reasons but you might have crashed when someone initiated diplomatic actions with your country (if hamachi was used in a small scale).

Unless everyone uses hamachi, the player with internet problems might be having problems conecting to every other user that is not using hamachi, causing some big nasty problems for everyone. Last time i played a nappy with some players using hamachi, i even lost Napoleon to the damned AI, lol. Bob and Ear might remember that. o

Bob himself experienced some problems too (i believe he couldnt see my armies at all).

That explains all. KJ wasn't on hamachi when I was.