Declining an elected title..

[prymcik]

Hi,
Will there ever be a way to decline elected titles?
I was playing as the count of Worms in hopes of created the grand duchy of Franconia, I United the required lands and was just 20 prestige away from enacting the decision, when all of a sudden I inherited the HRE. It ruined my game tbh. I enjoy playing as a vassal grow strong and then declare independence. It would have been great to be able to say no and have the tittle pass to the candidate next in line.
Paradox will you implement such a feature?

Kind regards

 

[vandevere]

Agreed. Sometimes you just want to be a vassal and have your Liege's back...

 

[Rags17]

"If drafted I will not run; if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve."

 

[prismaticmarcus]

oh, just be Emperor already. if life gives you lemons make a cheesecake

 

[makaramus]

just play with it after all you gonna hand it to someone else once you die

 

[JonathanOfArc]

"If drafted I will not run; if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve."

"Sherman statement", or "Sherman speech" is American political jargon for a clear and direct statement by a potential candidate indicating that he or she will not run for a particular elected position."

Ah yes the great American Kingdom, oh how we overlook ye. The Count of Worms could call upon the great thinkers of the American Kingdom, like Duke David Petraeus who refused the position of Viceroy under King Barak Obama The Black.

But seriously, that position is way too modern, and American.

"Medieval writers embraced an idea that went back to Classical Antiquity, according to which those who most desired power were the ones least deserving of it – nobody should desire to have authority over others. After all, it brought with it responsibility for both the spiritual and the material wellbeing of one’s subjects. Those holding power would be responsible to God, and if they failed, would condemn both themselves and those given into their care. Moreover, power would corrupt those exercising it, and those who lacked moral backbone would succumb to this temptation all the more easily. The ideal candidate, by contrast, was someone who was unwilling; who had to be forced to assume power over others. Being elected, in turn, was a means with which those chosen could demonstrate that they did not desire power, but had it thrust upon them.
Most abbots and bishops were thus described as having been forced to accept their election. In fact, when St Anselm was elected archbishop of Canterbury in 1093, one account claimed that his fingers had to be broken for the episcopal staff to be passed into his hands. We similarly have some evidence that kings, after they had been chosen, displayed a degree of reluctance: either asking that the election be repeated, or otherwise displaying humility and uncertainty."
-Björn Weiler professor of medieval history at Aberystwyth University

 

[Xenrek]

Been asking for this ability for a long time; since a player playing even slightly competently will outperform most AI in elections whether they want to or not, even with different culture maluses (and sometimes even with heretic maluses)

And it wouldnt eben be a *serious* problem outside of, I just spent 30-40 years getting my demesne in working order, consolidating my family's lands, when all of a sudden I'm elected to the ERE or HRE and inherit 7-8 severely losing wars from the misshapen inbred emperor before me which absolutely tanks prestige and coffers when I'm forced to surrender, undoing decades of work because of "lol-inheritance"

 

[Crangiopharengoma]

I think the solution here is actually to change how elective succession works. Rather than an immediate 'election', there should be an interregnum where candidates have a chance to curry favour. If a long reigning ruler has an adult candidate they should get some advantages but otherwise it's a free for all and if no candidates get enough support the realm collapses and all direct vassals become independent. You then get a choice to participate, support a candidate (and prevent yourself from being elected) or try and disrupt to fracture the realm.

 

[Rags17]

oh, just be Emperor already. if life gives you lemons make a cheesecake

If life gives you lemons make lemonade, if life gives you hands make hand grenades.

 

[Woifee]

I oftrn suffer the same problem. And then I keep all my duchies and counties and start acting as a tyrant so my vassals might replace me trough faction.

But they don’t. I have 10 different factions for 10 different claimsnts but none of them has tbe balls to press it.

 

[Narvait]

Had this happened to me recently in nowhere else but Byzantines...
Damn, how comfortable and relaxed I was a simple despot

 

[vandevere]

Been asking for this ability for a long time; since a player playing even slightly competently will outperform most AI in elections whether they want to or not, even with different culture maluses (and sometimes even with heretic maluses)

And it wouldnt eben be a *serious* problem outside of, I just spent 30-40 years getting my demesne in working order, consolidating my family's lands, when all of a sudden I'm elected to the ERE or HRE and inherit 7-8 severely losing wars from the misshapen inbred emperor before me which absolutely tanks prestige and coffers when I'm forced to surrender, undoing decades of work because of "lol-inheritance"

It's not even that for me. My experience playing a vassal goes something like this...

Start in 867, as Welf Fukes of Anjou/Normandy. Already, at Game start, I'm one of the strongest Super Dukes in West Francia. Charles the Bald dies, is succeeded by Louiis the Stammerer.

During his reign, or the next, West Francia and Aquitaine both go Elective. The current King dies, and I get elected King.

Of Aquitaine. Even though all of my demense is located in West Francia.

I lose all of my West Francian demense...all of it...in return for a crown, a Duchy title and one two-holding county.

Now, that hasn't happened to me for a very long time. But that's mostly because I avoid playing in Francia at the 867 start. So I don't know it there's been any change there or not.

Belive me, if I could have said no thanks to being elected King of Aquitaine, I would have leaped at the chance...

 

[afrodius]

This is why elective is broken. If your liege ever goes elective you had better form a faction for gavel kind or primo or something ASAP.