So, we've already got decisions to convert to our liege's culture and religion. How about decisions to convert to our primary title's traditional culture and religion?
Decisions to Convert to Primary Title's Traditional Culture and Religion
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I don't see why this couldn't be modded in. My primary questions would be:
What would incline the AI to do this?
Is this realistic?
What would incline the AI to do this?
Is this realistic?
1. If the Culture of the Realm has a majority of the culture
examples: Rurikovich kings, d'Ivrea, etc.
Is it Paradox's policy to add things to vanilla ONLY if they couldn't possibly be modded in? I don't think so.
What inclines the AI to convert to liege's culture and religion? Nothing, I think. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the decisions are there specifically for the player's use. Just like the decisions I've suggested would be there specifically for the player's use.
I believe it is realistic that a person could decide to adopt a different culture and/or religion if they wanted to, yes. Especially if that culture or religion is associated with their primary title.
No, but instead of waiting to pay for this as DLC, you would probably have more success asking in the modding forum.
Except the AI does use decisions, so they're not there specifically for the player's use.
Sure, if they wanted to. What would make the AI want to though?
The AI already converts both Religion and Culture under the proper circumstances. What they are though, I can't recall. (and am too lazy to check)
The AI only uses decisions when there's absolutely no reason not to. Otherwise, they have events instead. Decisions that may or may not be good to fire are there for the player's use only. These would be decisions like that. The AI doesn't enter into it unless Paradox wanted to create events to let it do this stuff, and I really don't care whether or not they feel like doing that.
Your assumption that this would be DLC is fallacious. Nobody had to pay for the extremely similar decisions I'm basing the idea on.
This is already in the game.
I was playing as Georgia, and my heir somehow became a Russian. After he reigned for 10 years or so, I got an event where I could choose whether I wanted to convert to Georgian culture.
I was playing as Georgia, and my heir somehow became a Russian. After he reigned for 10 years or so, I got an event where I could choose whether I wanted to convert to Georgian culture.
I've seen the same event, for a german heir in Iberia. However, that's the only time I ever saw it, and I've no idea what triggered it.
Plus, it doesn't cover religion. There have been times when I'd have loved that option, especially for the Ethiopian kingdoms. It might even give them a chance to come back, eventually!
...yeah, not much chance of that...
Plus, it doesn't cover religion. There have been times when I'd have loved that option, especially for the Ethiopian kingdoms. It might even give them a chance to come back, eventually!
...yeah, not much chance of that...
There is an event for it. Why would they change it to a decision?
I think it is fine the way it is.
I think it is fine the way it is.
As already stated by others, there isn't a corresponding religion event. And besides, this kind of thing should be a decision, it's not like we're playing robots incapable of changing their minds unless some random chance enables them to. There just needs to be appropriate costs to making these decisions, like Paradox already implemented with the "convert to culture or religion of liege" decisions.
That is your opinion, and I disagree. You want to change religion? Only to heresy, parent religion or at the demand of your liege. Kings and Emperors do not change their religion lightly, what titles would be the target of religous conversion? Kingdom of Greece if conquer by the Sunni caliphate? Allowing the Sunni Caliphate to convert to Orthodox? Madness, absolute madness.
Cultures merged with different cultures, as it plays out with norman controlled England. Why would any King change their culture from Frankish to Saxon, if they conquer England at a later date?
Not workable, if you want to change your culture or religion, console the change. It should not be implemented as a feature.
You yourself say Kings don't change their religion lightly. But you're apparently arguing that it's perfectly fine if the Sunni Caliph, King of Greece, vassal of the Byzantine Empire, converts to Orthodox. Without his liege even asking, completely of his own volition. But not if he's independent. Is that correct? Because he can do that now. And you said you think it's fine the way it is.
You mean if he's requested to convert by his liege because he likes him or has missionaries converting him? That's more realistic than a conqueror suddenly deciding he wants a change and that the heathens he was holy warring against actually had it right.
No. He has a decision to just convert to his liege's culture or religion. Your scenario isn't very realistic but I could think up stories where it would be realistic. The game doesn't force us to roleplay and if we are roleplaying we're free not to fire decisions.
Again, request a mod. There's no reason this has to be included by Paradox and you'll probably get a faster response.
I'm really tired of this argument. You're basically telling me never to suggest anything to Paradox just because mods exist. Feedback is forbidden. I can't help but notice that no one ever suggests this if they happen to like an idea. Do you think Paradox is a bunch of children, requiring your protection from dangerous ideas because they have no capacity to decide for themselves what they like and what they don't? Because I can't think of any other reason why you would be in here telling me I should be posting in the mod forum. If you think so strongly that this thread shouldn't even be here, why do you think the mods haven't moved it?
Kings under Emperors are puppets, they are not real kings. So yes they should convert from a request from their liege. I am also not sure that you can convert religon simply by being a vassal, culture yes, but I did not think religion had a free switch.
No that is not what is being said, what is being said is that there is no reason for this to be added to the base game. And for that reason, you would not likely get it added as a feature. If it was broken the way it was then you could hope for it to be fixed, but it is currently working fine with no problems with gameplay. So it is suggested you mod it if you want this, it is not a don't request features agruement.
There is a decision to convert to liege religion, but it's hardly "free" - it costs 500 piety. More to the point, I don't think you can force religious heads to convert. Having taken e_byzantium via inheritance as a catholic (and thus inheriting the Ecumenical Patriarch as a vassal) I can't force him to convert to catholicism.