Decision to restore the Mali Empire

[RichardOlcese]

Restore the Mali Empire
Potential:
x is Mali
Allow:
-Owns:
x Joma
x Gabu
x Jenne
x Gao
x Timbuktu
x Kong
- Jolof doesn't exist
- Songhai doesn't exist
- Has Senegambian and Fulo as accepted cultures
- Is Muslim
- Has a religious unity of at least 80%
- Number of gold producing provinces at least three
- Number of salt producing provinces at least one
- Capital province is at least 30 development
Effects:
- Becomes Empire rank
- Gains 10 prestige
- -0.05 monthly autonomy change for 10 years
- Enacts level 1 Government Reform "Malian Empire", which gives +1 merchant/+10% manpower recovery speed/+2 number of states.

 

[Romanix90]

I do like it but Mali all ready exist. On the other hand so to Mongolia exist and yet there is a desicion to restore Mongol Empire.

 

[Lightwell]

The problem is that, where Mongolia is one of the pieces of the old Empire, Mali is the entirety of that Empire, just with less land holdings. It's an Empire in decline. What makes the most sense is for them to give it "Empire" status, as they did with Ethiopia.

 

[nyetflix]

- Has a religious unity of at least 80%

Why? West African empires were historically composed of a Muslim ruling class and largely animist population. Even those who were Muslim were pretty syncretic.

x Kong

Kong was never part of the Mali or Songhai empires, not really in the "main" area of the western Sudan

 

[Lightwell]

Why? West African empires were historically composed of a Muslim ruling class and largely animist population. Even those who were Muslim were pretty syncretic.


Kong was never part of the Mali or Songhai empires, not really in the "main" area of the western Sudan

I think Kong is being made a part of it because gold applies as a good that directly impacts a state's income, rather than being a trade good. You actually need to control Lobi to profit.

 

[Romanix90]

Perhaps Mali should be formable nation, regardless of culture or religion, for west African nations.

 

[Lightwell]

Perhaps Mali should be formable nation, regardless of culture or religion, for west African nations.

It should be formable by Malinke nations, just as Segu should be formable by Bamana nations.

 

[xavdang]

There should also be decisions to reform Kanem-Bornu and Ethiopia if they disappear. They are among the oldest African states and it would make sense that a minor nation controlling these areas would want to claim their titles to gain cores and prestige.

 

[RichardOlcese]

There should also be decisions to reform Kanem-Bornu and Ethiopia if they disappear. They are among the oldest African states and it would make sense that a minor nation controlling these areas would want to claim their titles to gain cores and prestige.

Excellent addition!

 

[Romanix90]

It should be formable by Malinke nations, just as Segu should be formable by Bamana nations.

My thought was if Delhi can be formed by Bengal, Mali should be formed by west African nations as long as they are Muslim or Fetishist.

 

[xavdang]

My thought was if Delhi can be formed by Bengal, Mali should be formed by west African nations as long as they are Muslim or Fetishist.

Delhi is already reformable:

Delhi - Europa Universalis 4 Wiki

eu4.paradoxwikis.com

 

[Romanix90]

Delhi is already reformable:

Delhi - Europa Universalis 4 Wiki

eu4.paradoxwikis.com

Yeah i know. I said if ''Bengal can form Delhi''.

 

[xavdang]

Yeah i know. I said if ''Bengal can form Delhi''.

Excuse me, I completely misread and thought both were suggestions.

 

[JKiller96]

Kanem Bornu needs to be made into just Bornu. Kanem was conquered by the Bilala (Yao). Kanem Bornu should definitely be a formable. It was remade several times.

As for Mali, I dont think so. Many large empires sprung up in the region but none seemed to claim legitimacy through Mali.

Great Fulo may be a good formable for Fulani though. And Azawad for Tuareg.

 

[Battlex]

Kanem Bornu needs to be made into just Bornu. Kanem was conquered by the Bilala (Yao). Kanem Bornu should definitely be a formable. It was remade several times.

As for Mali, I dont think so. Many large empires sprung up in the region but none seemed to claim legitimacy through Mali.

Great Fulo may be a good formable for Fulani though. And Azawad for Tuareg.

Tunis is a reformable, as is Morocco, partly because to help sell Golden Century. Fulo being able to form Futa Toro and the other Futa would be quite nice.