Bulgaria was part of the axis. I thought this was supposed to be an axis-minor dlc...
Death or Dishonor - New Country Pack Announced!
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I'm pretty sure it means doing things like converting old Panzer IIIs to StuGs or maybe also taking your old T-34s and updating them to T-34/85
I'm mostly happy with what's being added and the price tag is reasonable for the amount. As a Finn I would have of course liked to had it in this expansion but I understand that it wouldn't have fitted with the theme. Bulgaria should have been in I feel like, but oh well.
The changes to AI seem great and I like the other additions too, especially licensing and conversions. Can't wait!
The changes to AI seem great and I like the other additions too, especially licensing and conversions. Can't wait!
last week I played 4 hours as Bulgaria on multi player and it was one of the most boring games I ever played in HoI series, ever. the Italian player wished no cooperation as he only wanted Greece for himself and refused all Bulgarian claims.
by the end of the game I was so pissed off I was waiting for the Soviets to come so that I could switch sides... 4 hours wasted, as the Soviets were beat back... we never linked borders... (
by the end of the game I was so pissed off I was waiting for the Soviets to come so that I could switch sides... 4 hours wasted, as the Soviets were beat back... we never linked borders... (
So far :
15$ for 1st expansion/DLC
10$ for this newcomer
15$ for something else
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40$ total
When I bought the pre-order, I thought I'd get the same content-value as I got for HoI3 (e.g. Semper FI, For the Motherland & Their Finest Hour).
I should have thought : lower value DLC, as in EU4... some sprites I hate, some focus and a clap on the back
* Banging my head on the wall *
15$ for 1st expansion/DLC
10$ for this newcomer
15$ for something else
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40$ total
When I bought the pre-order, I thought I'd get the same content-value as I got for HoI3 (e.g. Semper FI, For the Motherland & Their Finest Hour).
I should have thought : lower value DLC, as in EU4... some sprites I hate, some focus and a clap on the back
* Banging my head on the wall *
after looking at the dev diary im a little less salty but i think the community means to get a point across to the dev team
WE DONT WANT PAID COUNTRY PACKS. with mods, every nation in the game has a fully fleshed out and BALANCED focus tree! spain NEEDS a focus tree. china NEEDS a focus tree. finland NEEDS a focus tree. every nation in this country pack NEEDS a focus tree. they need focus trees 6 MONTHS AGO.
i liked TFV, i liked the features that came with it, but i think it was overpriced. i think, however, that you need to put a focus tree in about 15 more nations, and you need to do it for free. major expansions that you release need to do 2 things
flesh out nations and the game in general with events, refined focus trees, and etc.
add new and groundbreaking features, and fix old ones.
your focus trees just dont impress us. i can download them for free. and the game needs them NOW. its something the game needs to function better!
heres an example of what id expect from a quality dlc. maybe instead of adding focuses, you could, say, REVAMP THE SYSTEM so that each GOVERNMENT in each nation gets a focus tree, instead of each nation. you could do it with the 7 majors and then, in later patches, move on from there. completely change the focus tree system, fix a million bugs CAUSED BY YOUR FOCUS SYSTEM(democratic germany soviet wardec) id buy that
this is garbage but at least your AI guy is doing good works.
WE DONT WANT PAID COUNTRY PACKS. with mods, every nation in the game has a fully fleshed out and BALANCED focus tree! spain NEEDS a focus tree. china NEEDS a focus tree. finland NEEDS a focus tree. every nation in this country pack NEEDS a focus tree. they need focus trees 6 MONTHS AGO.
i liked TFV, i liked the features that came with it, but i think it was overpriced. i think, however, that you need to put a focus tree in about 15 more nations, and you need to do it for free. major expansions that you release need to do 2 things
flesh out nations and the game in general with events, refined focus trees, and etc.
add new and groundbreaking features, and fix old ones.
your focus trees just dont impress us. i can download them for free. and the game needs them NOW. its something the game needs to function better!
heres an example of what id expect from a quality dlc. maybe instead of adding focuses, you could, say, REVAMP THE SYSTEM so that each GOVERNMENT in each nation gets a focus tree, instead of each nation. you could do it with the 7 majors and then, in later patches, move on from there. completely change the focus tree system, fix a million bugs CAUSED BY YOUR FOCUS SYSTEM(democratic germany soviet wardec) id buy that
this is garbage but at least your AI guy is doing good works.
People complaining about expansion-pass related things should just quit it.
Since when is it ever an good idea to pre-order something that isn't in limited supply? It does not matter if it's your favorite game company, it makes the game industry worse off as a whole, with hype campaigns to generate pre-orders, then it turns out - the game isn't that good since they used half the budget for marketing. (Yeah, not talking about Paradox here) Now, what did the game industry learn from that... Yeah, that's right, that the game sold well and a similar strategy can be applied in the future.
It's not strange that Paradox is offering the same deals, since people are foolish to do it again and again for other games. Why turn away from free money when it's the role of an company to make money.
If you're dissatisfied - good, then you learned a lesson. Don't do it again.
As for me, I'm hyper-excited for arms licensing and equipment upgrades, while I'm totally indifferent to new focus trees. Am I gonna buy the new DLC? Yeah, probably. Am I gonna pre-order it since I'm probably gonna buy it anyway? No way.
Since when is it ever an good idea to pre-order something that isn't in limited supply? It does not matter if it's your favorite game company, it makes the game industry worse off as a whole, with hype campaigns to generate pre-orders, then it turns out - the game isn't that good since they used half the budget for marketing. (Yeah, not talking about Paradox here) Now, what did the game industry learn from that... Yeah, that's right, that the game sold well and a similar strategy can be applied in the future.
It's not strange that Paradox is offering the same deals, since people are foolish to do it again and again for other games. Why turn away from free money when it's the role of an company to make money.
If you're dissatisfied - good, then you learned a lesson. Don't do it again.
As for me, I'm hyper-excited for arms licensing and equipment upgrades, while I'm totally indifferent to new focus trees. Am I gonna buy the new DLC? Yeah, probably. Am I gonna pre-order it since I'm probably gonna buy it anyway? No way.
I don't understand why people are complaining saying there are less features then TFV. There are way more in this one. Improved aerial combat, the new land type in Africa, licenses, equipment conversions, new music and sprites, a new type of puppet, and 4 new focus trees. Meanwhile TFV added the autonomy system, a new battle plan, and lend lease with 5 focus trees and that is it. Not only that, this one is $5 less so I'm excited.
De Facto subscription model is glorious. Just look at those prices on "complete" collections other Paradox games.
Like is it that hard to just say it's a subscription model at this point with gameplay perks opposed to the cosmetic ones normally done.
WAIT A MINUTE! This isn't an Expansion? This is a New Country pack? Wait what? Why? I thought this was going to be a new Expansion bigger then TFV? WTF happen?
I pre-ordered the Field Marshal Edition with the Expansion Pass like many others, and I'm starting to wonder about Expansion Pass at this point. So far I've gotten a Small Expansion(Even the Devs said it themselves), and a New Country pack... Not an Expansion.... what? Then why is it called the Expansion Pass??? So now we have 2 DLC with very little new mechanics. I mean don't get me wrong I'm very happy that some, not even all Axis minors are getting some love with Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia, but come on. I mean there is still quite a few left out, and I can bet those people who were expecting them are going to be unhappy.
For an Axis focus Expansion, err I mean "Country Pack", only two of the four countries were in the Axis.
Didn't you also say something about TfV was bad marketing, or mistake learned or something? Only to give us what, 4 more minor NF trees as the big part of the DLC??? And its even smaller them TFV.... What happen to all those lessons that were learnt?
Not only that but wasn't the Season pass is supposed to be cheaper then buying them separately?
So at this point people who paid for the Expansion Pass are being told what exactly, to justify bug fixes and balancing on a game a year old at this point?
At this point you've guys have broken quite a few promises.
So then this right here just goes to show that the Dev team is undermanned, and underresourced.
I'm guess that's because of the state in which both games were released in.
Couldn't of said it better myself.
So all in all, what a complete let down... All that hype for this....
I pre-ordered the Field Marshal Edition with the Expansion Pass like many others, and I'm starting to wonder about Expansion Pass at this point. So far I've gotten a Small Expansion(Even the Devs said it themselves), and a New Country pack... Not an Expansion.... what? Then why is it called the Expansion Pass??? So now we have 2 DLC with very little new mechanics. I mean don't get me wrong I'm very happy that some, not even all Axis minors are getting some love with Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia, but come on. I mean there is still quite a few left out, and I can bet those people who were expecting them are going to be unhappy.
For an Axis focus Expansion, err I mean "Country Pack", only two of the four countries were in the Axis.
Didn't you also say something about TfV was bad marketing, or mistake learned or something? Only to give us what, 4 more minor NF trees as the big part of the DLC??? And its even smaller them TFV.... What happen to all those lessons that were learnt?
Not only that but wasn't the Season pass is supposed to be cheaper then buying them separately?
So at this point people who paid for the Expansion Pass are being told what exactly, to justify bug fixes and balancing on a game a year old at this point?
At this point you've guys have broken quite a few promises.
So then this right here just goes to show that the Dev team is undermanned, and underresourced.
I'm guess that's because of the state in which both games were released in.
Couldn't of said it better myself.
So all in all, what a complete let down... All that hype for this....
I feel sorry for those that bought the expansion pass in a way. It almost seems Paradox knew they had a buggy incomplete game but pushed it out early with the expansion pass to fund another year of development. They didn't offer one with Stellaris and that is in a much better state 12 months on.
Instead of being dogmatic and inflexible they should have gone the early access route with HOI4 to get the crucial player feedback they needed. I feel HOI4 is severely damaging the goodwill of the player base as a result.
Instead of being dogmatic and inflexible they should have gone the early access route with HOI4 to get the crucial player feedback they needed. I feel HOI4 is severely damaging the goodwill of the player base as a result.
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Wow, 10 pages, already. Because of this announcement, I have some questions.
1. Did I understand you right, that there will follow more country packs?
2. Will all those packs be part of the season pass?
3. Will there be non-focus-tree DLCs besides country pack DLCs in the future?
Wow, 10 pages, already. Because of this announcement, I have some questions.
1. Did I understand you right, that there will follow more country packs?
2. Will all those packs be part of the season pass?
3. Will there be non-focus-tree DLCs besides country pack DLCs in the future?
This "country pack" better be another freebie for expansion-pass owners like TFV was. You promised 2 full expansions valued at $50. To me that means something of a similar size and scope to Utopia. You can possibly expect us to believe that these "story pack equivalents" count towards the total.
Its sad to see those reactions on czechoslovakian tree. Its true that there are nations which may deserve it more (Bulgaria, Finland, etc.) and i myself expected Czechoslovakian tree to be included later (along with some DLC about Governments in Exile, Espionage, etc.), but to see opinions about this nation not deserving its own tree, that it doesnt fight in ww2 enough, and so on are something i dont agree with.
Let me tell you why:
1) Hearts of Iron starts in 1936 and one of main focuses of the game for me is trying to change history and show different what if scenarios. One of them is the question what would happen if czechoslovakia fought against Germany. There are even boardgames about this. Focus tree is adding to that (hopefully) and makes for interesting replayability. Wouldnt it be little bit boring if every game from 1936 to 1939 unfolded in the same way?
2) France has an option to form Little Entente as its faction. This option right now is little bit underwhelming and generally useless (even though one of my favorite gameplays was coop campaign as this faction). With focus trees for nations in Little Entente, this can broaden options for France.
3) People from Czechoslovakia fought in the war. Western front, Eastern front, Africa... Actually Czechoslovakia had more military deaths than Canada, Australia or Greece (according to wikipedia). Interesting fact is that in terms of military casualties, only nations with more and without their own tree (including this DLC) are China and Finland. I know its little bit morbid justyfying presence of its own tree on number of casualties, but i wanted to show how involved in the war Czechoslovakia was.
Of course I, as someone from Czech republic, am little biased towards my country so bear that in mind.
Anyway, i want to thank Paradox for doing this. Keep up the good work.
Let me tell you why:
1) Hearts of Iron starts in 1936 and one of main focuses of the game for me is trying to change history and show different what if scenarios. One of them is the question what would happen if czechoslovakia fought against Germany. There are even boardgames about this. Focus tree is adding to that (hopefully) and makes for interesting replayability. Wouldnt it be little bit boring if every game from 1936 to 1939 unfolded in the same way?
2) France has an option to form Little Entente as its faction. This option right now is little bit underwhelming and generally useless (even though one of my favorite gameplays was coop campaign as this faction). With focus trees for nations in Little Entente, this can broaden options for France.
3) People from Czechoslovakia fought in the war. Western front, Eastern front, Africa... Actually Czechoslovakia had more military deaths than Canada, Australia or Greece (according to wikipedia). Interesting fact is that in terms of military casualties, only nations with more and without their own tree (including this DLC) are China and Finland. I know its little bit morbid justyfying presence of its own tree on number of casualties, but i wanted to show how involved in the war Czechoslovakia was.
Of course I, as someone from Czech republic, am little biased towards my country so bear that in mind.
Anyway, i want to thank Paradox for doing this. Keep up the good work.
Killerrabbit, you've made some very good and valid points.
And then completely rendered them superflous and yourself as a hypocrite with the last sentence.
I believe that's why you've garnered those downvotes as well.
I guess you're talking about Romania, the country that sent the 2nd most number of troops to the Eastern Front? While our politicians did act in the same shady way Finland and Italy did, for example, at least all the (European) Axis countries sent (some) troops to the Eastern Front, except Bulgaria, but as soon as the Soviets arrived it had no problem sending Bulgaria's armies as cannon fodder all the way to Vienna. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
EDIT: Mind you, the only Axis country to gain territory out of WW2 was Bulgaria at the expense of Romania. Good job fellow Axis, keeping that >honor flag high while sending little or no help, stopping at the gates of Leningrad, switching sides first, etc. etc. Great help. Such honor! Give medal! :<
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Eu4 on release was way worse than Stellaris was on release. I even remember that it was so slow because someone had the great idea to check events every single day by default and I had to manually edit the defines file to even run the game somewhat decently. But Stellaris has received quite a bit of content already. There really isn't even a comparison between hoi4 additional content vs Stellaris additional content.WAIT A MINUTE! This isn't an Expansion? This is a New Country pack? Wait what? Why? I thought this was going to be a new Expansion bigger then TFV? WTF happen?
I pre-ordered the Field Marshal Edition with the Expansion Pass like many others, and I'm starting to wonder about Expansion Pass at this point. So far I've gotten a Small Expansion(Even the Devs said it themselves), and a New Country pack... Not an Expansion.... what? Then why is it called the Expansion Pass??? So now we have 2 DLC with very little new mechanics. I mean don't get me wrong I'm very happy that some, not even all Axis minors are getting some love with Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia, but come on. I mean there is still quite a few left out, and I can bet those people who were expecting them are going to be unhappy.
For an Axis focus Expansion, err I mean "Country Pack", only two of the four countries were in the Axis.
Didn't you also say something about TfV was bad marketing, or mistake learned or something? Only to give us what, 4 more minor NF trees as the big part of the DLC??? And its even smaller them TFV.... What happen to all those lessons that were learnt?
Not only that but wasn't the Season pass is supposed to be cheaper then buying them separately?
So at this point people who paid for the Expansion Pass are being told what exactly, to justify bug fixes and balancing on a game a year old at this point?
At this point you've guys have broken quite a few promises.
So then this right here just goes to show that the Dev team is undermanned, and underresourced.
I'm guess that's because of the state in which both games were released in.
Couldn't of said it better myself.
So all in all, what a complete let down... All that hype for this....
This is just so sad.
1 year in and this is all we get. 2 months of work and THIS is all that is released?
Their own statement proves they have WAY to small of a staff. They can't push content and fix bugs? I mean what the hell ?
They told us this would be a BIGGER expansion. Not a small country pack DLC. Even calling it axis oriented it laughable.
1 year in and this is all we get. 2 months of work and THIS is all that is released?
Their own statement proves they have WAY to small of a staff. They can't push content and fix bugs? I mean what the hell ?
They told us this would be a BIGGER expansion. Not a small country pack DLC. Even calling it axis oriented it laughable.
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