I'm not talking always, but maybe their is a 50% chance of killing a head of state or another minister if the nations capitol is nuked? I found it incredibly unrealistic that everybody survives intact if you nuke every single one of a countrys provinces
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LaDoncella said:
The bunkers that were built were big enough to defend against the pre-nuke era nukes ...
So no.
Personally, I believe heads of state and generals should have a random % of dying due to many factors and not have a pre-set death date.
Nukes should count as one of those events that might result in them dying, but there should be plenty of other causes as well.
Nukes should count as one of those events that might result in them dying, but there should be plenty of other causes as well.
candyman82 said:
My sincerest hope is that they take Nukes out of the game entirely or nerf their effects.... the types of nukes available for the time period 36-48 were not strategic level weapons... and as such really could not completely destroy an entire province...
As such I agree that there could be a percentage chance that leader(s) could be destroyed by attacking a capitol province... but that chance would definately not be 100% and probably not 50%.... more like 10-25%.
Now the dissent hit... that i agree with.... and if they implement anything like war weariness then a severe hit to that would be in order when you use a nuke.
But i digress....
Corey
I have to partly disagree, as later in the game you can build hydrogen bombs which are a strategic rather than tactical weapon.
Lord Strange said:
Yes but not to the extent that it was a mass produced weapon.....
You have to think of the invention and usage of the Nuke in WW2 in the same context as the invention of the Tank in WW1 was ... the Tank in WW1 was initially invented and used to try and gain a quick tactical advantage over the Germans.. and it nearly succeeded in ending the war quicker... the Allies just did not have the tactics/resources to fully exploit it.. Tanks were not used to their fullest capabilities until WW2....
The originial nukes were not designed to wipe out massive armies or completely obliterate large areas... they were designed as psychological weapons... to remove the enemy's resolve to fight.
The weapons of the 45- 48 period were not the major WMD that existed later... We are talking about weapons in the 10-30 kt range (Little Boy - 18 KT and Fat Man - 22 KT)... hardly province busters.
The cabinet was not in the capital 24/7, so it should definitely not be automatic when nuking the capital.
I'like the random chances of death, but they should still have a retirement date.
They were not designed as anything else than bombs actually.
They knew it was going to be a really big bomb, but they were just trying to get that chain reaction to go boom.
The psychological aspect and the various uses came later.
Provinces will now be much smaller than in HoI2, so I think the effect implemented in Arma could stay since they're no longer the unit-wiper that they were in the first release.
Although we've yet to see if factories will be located in specific provinces even if managed on a state level.
I'like the random chances of death, but they should still have a retirement date.
coreymas said:
They were not designed as anything else than bombs actually. They knew it was going to be a really big bomb, but they were just trying to get that chain reaction to go boom.
The psychological aspect and the various uses came later.
Provinces will now be much smaller than in HoI2, so I think the effect implemented in Arma could stay since they're no longer the unit-wiper that they were in the first release.
Although we've yet to see if factories will be located in specific provinces even if managed on a state level.
Look at where Hitler stayed during the war. Always in Berchtesgaden or the Wolf's Lair, or in some other bunker in the forest. He was rarely in the Berlin, or any other province worthy of being nuked.
But he was not a normal military leader, so other leaders like Stalin may have been in their capital.
But he was not a normal military leader, so other leaders like Stalin may have been in their capital.
Pretty sure Stalin stayed in Kremlin during the war, except for specific purposes. To leave Moscow during the darker days for the Soviet Union could have been seen as a sign of weakness.
So, when you nuke Moscow, Stalin should be dead. Along with some other member of his cabinet.
I agree that Nuking should have the effect that government officials can die, just like with airplane crashes and diseases.
But walking further then that.... So could bombers, but i think that would be coming close to the forbidden Paradox has laided down.
Of course, dropping a nuke would normally have effects that are not allowed for the game. But they are ignored properly.
I agree that Nuking should have the effect that government officials can die, just like with airplane crashes and diseases.
But walking further then that.... So could bombers, but i think that would be coming close to the forbidden Paradox has laided down.
Of course, dropping a nuke would normally have effects that are not allowed for the game. But they are ignored properly.
