Death Before Dishonor IV: A new beginning... (preliminary disccussions thread)

[juv95hrn]

Right then. So if we all agree we´ll just call it "Dishonor before Death" and be happy with that.....as I really found the name VERY amusing as well .

I'm fine with that!

 

[unmerged(10915)]

Methinks you place much too high demands on life. EU2 is supposed to be a strain, a menial task, a pure exstacy of boredom. One ought to devote not four but tenfold that time to such meaningless activities per week without asking any compensation, amusementwise or socially, to fulfill the duty, that is being bored beyond belief, of the noble game of EU2.

I knew you were cynical, but to this extent!
One wonders why you keep playing it? (if you arent being sarcastic that is, another of your wonderful traits )

 

[unmerged(38752)]

If that isn't sarcasm then I'm not sure I understand the meaning of the word

Anyway juv, the edits as you described them in a previous post are easy enough, I'm fine with doing them.

By the way, if we add a modified random event list, won't that make it very hard to find subs? Since they will have to install the thingie too?

 

[juv95hrn]

If that isn't sarcasm then I'm not sure I understand the meaning of the word

Anyway juv, the edits as you described them in a previous post are easy enough, I'm fine with doing them.

By the way, if we add a modified random event list, won't that make it very hard to find subs? Since they will have to install the thingie too?

Yes probably but installing a modified version is very easy after all and I really think the changes are worth it. (Just cant remember how to do it atm) No more -3 stab vs -5 deflation event series etc will decrease the influence of luck with the random events. Fell free to have a look-see.

Guess I can do province transfers but still got to figure out leader creation since I havent done any yet.

 

[unmerged(45041)]

Hey juv! I sure would like to join this merry band! I dont think any1 can vouch for my player abilites(cause I suck) , however there are a few players on your roster there I have played before. And I bet you none of them cant (hopefully) say anything bad about me! Management and finances I do pretty well, its my fighting skills that are a bit weak! But I´m reliable, always there, on time......


ICQ: 218919323

 

[unmerged(38752)]

Yes probably but installing a modified version is very easy after all and I really think the changes are worth it. (Just cant remember how to do it atm) No more -3 stab vs -5 deflation event series etc will decrease the influence of luck with the random events. Fell free to have a look-see.

Guess I can do province transfers but still got to figure out leader creation since I havent done any yet.

Uhm leader creation... you mean on Tonio's site right? Really easy, just follow the link and the rest you can see for yourself The thingie changes a savegame into one with the extra leaders in it.

 

[ForzaA]

Feels more like a scenario balance issue. I don't plan on rebalancing the initial scenario since it's a guarantueed can of worms. We could adjust initial cash quite easily however to balance the bids somehow.

well.. people all wanting particular countries IS (partly) a balance issue, though yeah, manus and the like are probably a bit too much of a mess to add to bids.

There are no limits on the number of vasssals or vassalizations. I suggested that you may only release one new vassal every 10 years to prevent a mass release in 1819 to spurt some end-of-the-world VPs. We could change that to dissallowing any vassal releases after 1750 or so instead.

ah... that was the point of it, my mistake o

 

[unmerged(38752)]

I don't think many players these days pick a country because of it's chances at winning, but more at personal preference (origin, land or sea preference, how much you like colonizing/trading, etc.)... at least I think that's what you meant with people all wanting a particular country because of balance

 

[juv95hrn]

Hey juv! I sure would like to join this merry band! I dont think any1 can vouch for my player abilites(cause I suck) , however there are a few players on your roster there I have played before. And I bet you none of them cant (hopefully) say anything bad about me! Management and finances I do pretty well, its my fighting skills that are a bit weak! But I´m reliable, always there, on time......


ICQ: 218919323

Reliability is very important. Welcome aboard!

 

[juv95hrn]

I don't think many players these days pick a country because of it's chances at winning, but more at personal preference (origin, land or sea preference, how much you like colonizing/trading, etc.)... at least I think that's what you meant with people all wanting a particular country because of balance

I agree. Let's not focus too much on the VP experiment. The goal is to have another enjoyable EU2 MP campaign together but while we are at it I'd like to experiemnt a little with using the VP system and modifying the Random Events somewhat. At least the more popular/powerful nations will have a penalty to their VPs. If this makes it possible to judge who is the winner of the campaign only by regarding VPs is very doubtful but it might serve as an additional indicator and serve to judge what VP penalty is fair in the future.

 

[unmerged(45041)]

Ty juv! Looking forward to it!

I kinda like this bidding idea, but what happens when a player has placed bids for some nations and didnt get 1? I assume he will play the 1 that´s left but how about vp then? will he not deduct any vp´s for the bids? I said "when" cause it´s most likely that some1 doesnt get what he wants and have to take whats left...

 

[unmerged(38752)]

I don't think that to be very likely zag, since usually preferences differ a LOT.

Anyway, I'm fine with the VP and random event experiment, and can only second that another enjoyable EU2 campaign should be the goal of this

 

[juv95hrn]

I have added the following points:

Schedule:

until 1 aug: Preliminary discussions:
1 aug - 7 aug: Bids for nations are accepted. Installation of new Random Event set.
7 aug - 15 aug: Pre game diplomacy.

Players may not bid the same amount of points for any nation.

More examples to illustrate the above.

Lowered France's points to 1500. (France is rather tought to play after all.)

I will be going away on vacation 25th-29th of july. Feel free to continue any discussions until then.

 

[unmerged(38752)]

I'll be on vacation from the 29th of july till the 14th of august (which is why I wanted to start at the 16th) so I cannot be here for the bid fase. I'll think of some countries I wanna play and PM you my bids later this week.

 

[PJL]

The 30th date was an ideal date I chose - I would be happy to play on the 16th. However, there is no way I can make 1845 CET. 1915 CET is the best I can do, and if there are going to be penalties for being late, I'd would have to insist on a 1930 start.

 

[PJL]

Couple more things - the VP bid system for countries is a nice idea, but I think it would be better if something tangible to the game is used, such as ducats or inflation.

Also we need to decide what scenrio to use, as the start date can significantly affect bidding intentions.

 

[unmerged(45041)]

Agree with pjl, depending on scenario bidding may turn out differentely...

 

[unmerged(38752)]

I don't mind which it is, 1492 or 1520.

 

[unmerged(45041)]

I don't mind which it is, 1492 or 1520.

I dont mind either. I merely said that it would be better to have the scenario crystal clear to every1 before we place bids.. Then u can choose whatever u like, except AoI 1337 scen.

 

[Aladar]

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