Death Before Dishonor IV: A new beginning... (preliminary disccussions thread)

[ForzaA]

sounds good (and boo! to 2400 )

..bidding system sounds interesting.. but I'm not so sure anyone is really going to care about victory points even with this change... maybe something a little more tangible?

 

[ForzaA]

00.00 is fine if everyone is ok with it, which usually isn't the case but we'll see.

take a guess at what "boo!" means [ie. I'm not ok with it ]

Like what? I think it's worth a shot to introduce a VP system. At least it will make the stronger, more popular nations a bit less attractive to play since they will recieve a penalty to their VP. If we go with the VP system players should make sure to care about it or sign up elsewhere. We could go without however...

tangible, as in manu's, cash, shipyards, troops... something like that.

I'm not entirely convinced people would suddenly really start to care about VP's; quite often, strength/good play does not directly translate into high VP.

Some sort of vassal abuse rule will be introduced. How about one release per 10 years?

AFAIK, only one vasal you have at any given time gives a substantial boost- all others are rather minor in benefit... so I would say either no vasalisations, or no limit on vasalisations.

 

[ForzaA]

Feels more like a scenario balance issue. I don't plan on rebalancing the initial scenario since it's a guarantueed can of worms. We could adjust initial cash quite easily however to balance the bids somehow.

well.. people all wanting particular countries IS (partly) a balance issue, though yeah, manus and the like are probably a bit too much of a mess to add to bids.

There are no limits on the number of vasssals or vassalizations. I suggested that you may only release one new vassal every 10 years to prevent a mass release in 1819 to spurt some end-of-the-world VPs. We could change that to dissallowing any vassal releases after 1750 or so instead.

ah... that was the point of it, my mistake o

 

[ForzaA]

"missing" players from a "normal" setup might even be interesting (you can gamble that particular nations won't be played giving you plenty of room to expand)

..and maybe we should have an upper limit on bids? (Otherwise, someone who definately wants a particular country can go "to hell with the VPs, I bid 10000")

....and we really should decide on a scenario someday

 

[ForzaA]

I don't think you can find a more unbalanced scenario than the 1520. The only real contenders here are Spain and OE, who will become the 2 major powers, while the rest can fight among themselves for the few remaining scraps.

..rather than the 1492 where Spain will grab the gold in no time flat, and have an EXTRA 20-25 years of gold compared to the 1520 scenario.

The situation 1492-1520 has evolved, yes.. but I certainly don't believe 1520 is so much worse than 1492.

 

[ForzaA]

So why are we even thinking about a flawed MP scenerio then?

which one are you talking about that is flawed?

..and which one isn't, anyway?