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(sigh. I'd better preface, this is satire)
Dear God,

In reviewing my WW2 history books, I've come across a number of obvious bugs and design issues.

-Overt German militarism, rearmament, and aggression continues from 1933 on without a democratic response from the AI until well past the point any human would recognize its intentions.
-Similarly, the USA, with vast potential power sits twiddling its thumbs in depression and actually CUTS its military production until well after the agression has begun. I hope you can introduce a patch that at least tells the US not to CUT military production during the 1930's.
-There is a very cheap exploit available where the German player, with a smaller army and inferior equipment in almost all categories, can use the "Ardennes Bug" to encircle and eliminate the cream of French land forces.
-Even though an invasion of the USSR is hard coded into the German AI (Mein Kampf), the USSR still signs a non-agression pact with Germany and fulfills it right up to the day of invasion!
-Even after the UK has lost all allies and has essentially no heavy equipment left to defend itself, the AI refuses to sign generous peace terms offered by Germany including retention of its navy and empire.
-The German AI on the other hand is way too aggressive, and even while at war with the UK and USSR spontaneously declares war on the USA also after Japan attacks the US.
-Speaking of which, Japan clearly has no chance at all against the US, can the next patch just tell countries that are outmatched in manpower, resources, technology and production by multiple factors to not attack them?

Of course I know I am oversimplifying. Here's hoping that Paradox patches the glaring issues and removes the ridiculous while still leaving the irrational. :)
 

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Originally posted by someone special


-Similarly, the USA, with vast potential power sits twiddling its thumbs in depression and actually CUTS its military production until well after the agression has begun. I hope you can introduce a patch that at least tells the US not to CUT military production during the 1930's.

Wait didn't that acually happen in real life? We had no army untill we got into the war, all we had was some technology wich wasn't much when compared to the Germans but by the wars end our tech was pretty good.
 

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I suppose Paradox did this because games would be more unpredictable. Remeber, we're not playing HoI to get better history marks. We're playing it to have fun and hey, who woudln't want to still be surprised after playing it for months. (even though the surprise would sometimes be an unpleasant one)
 

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Originally posted by Uglyduck
It caught 2 people and it could have been more ............. :)
Wait till the morning crowd rolls in;):D
 

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An absolute classic thread.
Ardennes bug. :p :cool:
 
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There is a very cheap exploit available where the German player, with a smaller army and inferior equipment in almost all categories, can use the "Ardennes Bug" to encircle and eliminate the cream of French land forces.

LOL! Hitler, the original bug exploiter!

Classic. Simply classic. I'm going to steal that one if it's not copyrighted :)
 

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Welcome to the forums, "someone special" ... keep posting, you've come to the right place. Try the OT forum as well. :)
 
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The "Ardennes bug" must immediately be fixed! It is completely unrealistic - the Germans could never have done that in real life! :mad: :D
 

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Re: Re: Dear God

Originally posted by GreatWarrior
Wait didn't that acually happen in real life? We had no army untill we got into the war, all we had was some technology wich wasn't much when compared to the Germans but by the wars end our tech was pretty good.


Actually American artillery doctrine was the best in the world.

Pre-war.

Time on target ruled the roost.
 

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Yes, the big quandary for creating competent AI is that you then remove historical irrationality. Nevertheless, I think the concept of "removing the ridiculous while retaining the capacity for irrationality" is a good theme to follow, especially when attempting to model the behavior of nations. Perhaps the irrationality module could be called "The Tuchman Paradigm".