Dealing with Ming mandate as a European

[DemBones]

So I get that the Mandate supposedly drains based on the development of non-tributaries that border Ming, but something seems weird now. I am playing Norway and have a single province bordering Ming but my 4K development seems to not be in play. They are only getting -.01 for non-tributaries. Do you need a land connection to the rest of your development?

 

[Palando]

AFAIK, only the development having a land connection with Ming is considered.

(Tested it with India: Had Canton as an isolated province -> only -0.01 mandate per month;
conquering a land connection with Ming -> -0.36 mandate per month)

 

[DemBones]

AFAIK, only the development having a land connection with Ming is considered.

Interesting, thanks. So are European players just taking Ming piecemeal, with Mandate only declining gradually based on the Asian land you control? I'm not super interested in fighting my way through Central Asia though I suppose I could find a way to connect if necessary. Kind of inelegant, if you ask me.

 

[Palando]

Interesting, thanks. So are European players just taking Ming piecemeal, with Mandate only declining gradually based on the Asian land you control? I'm not super interested in fighting my way through Central Asia though I suppose I could find a way to connect if necessary. Kind of inelegant, if you ask me.

Well, it also makes most of Indonesia and Japan useless if the goal is to take down Ming's mandate. I had to experience that in my Choson One run ...

 

[Rabid]

Unsurprisingly to anyone who's been paying attention, this whole mechanic doesn't work all that well.

 

[braunschweig1]

I just think it's dumb that, in most games, it's impossible for Portugal to expand into Malacca like they did historically, without facing 80,000 Ming regulars running thousands of miles from China to the Malay peninsula.

 

[Badesumofu]

It does seem odd that I took 100 WS worth of Ming in 1650ish and their mandate is still ticking positive. It's not really a problem for me because it was still a pretty easy* war. It does seem weird that the Celestial Empire is not delegitimised at all by having a large chunk of Southern China held by France.

*easy to win, not so easy to actually execute in terms of shipping 200k around the world to invade from Taiwan and the Philippines.

 

[KaiserWilhelmI]

It does seem weird that the Celestial Empire is not delegitimised at all by having a large chunk of Southern China held by France.

And France actually holding a large chunk of Southern China by 1650s is not weird at all.