de jure drifting - how does it work ?

[AlknicTeos]

Hello,

CK 2 is really amazing and I feel like King Joffrey ^^. Anyway,l wonder which requirements has to be fullfilled for a drift to another kingdom/empire.
For Example I'm the emperor of HRE and king of Germany ( same person ) and have conquered all of de jure kingdom Pommern. There is no king of Pommern and 5/7 duchies. What has to be done, to incorporate Pommern, Bavaria, Tirol, .... ? I did something wrong, 'cause only one duchy is drifting to my kingdom, while 10 years ago about 5 duchies all in HRE were drifting ...

 

[BavarianKnight]

While you are emporer and king of germany they won't drift. Duchies drift for kings, and kigdoms drift for emporers. If you give the pommeranian land to a duke who is in the german kingdom it will drift into germany though.

 

[AlknicTeos]

While you are emporer and king of germany they won't drift. Duchies drift for kings, and kigdoms drift for emporers. If you give the pommeranian land to a duke who is in the german kingdom it will drift into germany though.

and herewith I have a problem.

One person : duchy of Meißen and duchy of Thüringen. Meißen does drift, but Thüringen not. The seat is in Meißen ( duchy Meißen ), hm now I have seen she is married with the newly raised king of Lothringen, but luckily 2 different heirs ( for man and woman heritage ). Thüringen has drifted the last years before too.

 

[Lwantssugar]

In empires duchies don't de jure drift, only kingdoms

 

[AlknicTeos]

In empires duchies don't de jure drift, only kingdoms

... well, thüringen only need another 72 years to become property of the kingdom of germany

 

[Malebranche]

... well, thüringen only need another 72 years to become property of the kingdom of germany

It's probably reverse drift. It started to drift towards Germany, and is now drifting back to its original kingdom.

 

[AlknicTeos]

It's probably reverse drift. It started to drift towards Germany, and is now drifting back to its original kingdom.

no, it drifts forward, and I guess I understand now.

A duke has to be my vassal in germany ( target kingdom ), and this vassal has to held the foreign duchy and in this foreign duchy every count has to be his vassal.
So, Baden is duchy and his duke is my vassal as germany, view to baden and the germany emblem appears there,
give this duke the duchy of perejaslawl,
transfer every count of perejaslawl to this duke, by grant land or transfer vassal. One county of the duchy(foreign) has to be granted to the duke(home kingdom).
... hope this stands for 100 years

edit : now I have to start my 5th game ...

 

[Lwantssugar]

I actually have a question regarding de jure drifting:
Do duchies de jure drift into a Kingdom if theyre part of an empire?

My situation is Ive conquered the entirety of the British Isles as Scotland painting them a nice shade of blue, I can create Britannia as soon as my ruler gets 400 piety. what I want to know is, if I create Britannia will duchies continue drifting into Scotland?

 

[justin6477]

I actually have a question regarding de jure drifting:
Do duchies de jure drift into a Kingdom if theyre part of an empire?

My situation is Ive conquered the entirety of the British Isles as Scotland painting them a nice shade of blue, I can create Britannia as soon as my ruler gets 400 piety. what I want to know is, if I create Britannia will duchies continue drifting into Scotland?

Not without a workaround.

You'll need to give your English, irish, and Welsh duchies to ducal lords of Scotland. Or give the Kingdom of Scotland to a vassal that holds English/Irish/Welsh duchies. A decent tactic is to land your intended heir and give them two duchies (more than 2 and the opinion maluses set in), then give them your primary Kingdom. Or you could land your idiotic third son when he's 3 days old and do it that way. It'll take a while, but it works. And by duchies I mean duchies outside of Scotland (or whatever Kingdom we're talking about).

I usually try and hold off on the Empire until I've drifted all the land I want in my primary kingdom into my primary kingdom. Waiting is a bit difficult though.....

 

[AlknicTeos]

... Or you could land your idiotic third son when he's 3 days old and do it that way...

Do family hold foreign duchies drift different ? Or did I just missunderstood what you mean with that ?

 

[IVIaarten]

just to add to this thread since it's related, can kingdoms drift outside of de jure empires? I've held independent Frisia for a long time now, but it remains de jure part of the HRE. Any way to get rid of that?

 

[justin6477]

Do family hold foreign duchies drift different ? Or did I just missunderstood what you mean with that ?

They don't, but family is supremely useful for handing out titles since you have access to male children.

To give an example of what I mean, lets say my 4th son is a hunchback and 3 days old. I'm the Emperor of Francia and have conquered the HRE territories, and I'd like to integrate Upper Burgundy into Germany. I can give the Ducal title for Burgundy to my 4th son, then give him the Kingdom of Germany title. For as long as he holds both, de jure drift will happen on the ducal level. Thing is, he's sick, so he's easy to murder and I get at least 16 years of easy de jure drift.

It also just dawned upon me that Seniority Succession + Matri-marrying is a great combo for this.

just to add to this thread since it's related, can kingdoms drift outside of de jure empires? I've held independent Frisia for a long time now, but it remains de jure part of the HRE. Any way to get rid of that?

Do you own all of Frisia? If so, it's supposed to start drifting out of the HRE.

 

[Frozen_Predator]

Do you own all of Frisia? If so, it's supposed to start drifting out of the HRE.

De Jure drift out of formed empires still does not work. The timer will reset after reaching 100 years while the HRE retains it's casus belli.

 

[IVIaarten]

De Jure drift out of formed empires still does not work. The timer will reset after reaching 100 years while the HRE retains it's casus belli.

That's really too bad I need to get that emperor off my back.

Where can I see this timer?

 

[Malebranche]

That's really too bad I need to get that emperor off my back.

Where can I see this timer?

De jure empires map.

 

[IVIaarten]

De jure empires map.

I've been looking at the de jure empire mapmode, but I can't seem to find it. Can you be a bit more specific please (or add a screenshot), or maybe I'm just blind

 

[justin6477]

I've been looking at the de jure empire mapmode, but I can't seem to find it. Can you be a bit more specific please (or add a screenshot), or maybe I'm just blind

Hover over a Kingdom and it should tell you the status of its drift, just like a duchies on the Kingdom map.