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Will there be no more Remarkably Objective Cartography Mupdates? Of a non-Andalusian origin?
 

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Oh thank (non-denominational) god. I was worried that the mupdates wouldn't be remarkably objective.
 

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Will there be no more Remarkably Objective Cartography Mupdates? Of a non-Andalusian origin?
As soon as said Remarkably Objective Cartographers have figured out a bug in the uploading software. The maps are there; there just seems to be some issue with the uploading.
 

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The world of 1670 with annotations.




 

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That was Remarkably Subjective. But that is to be expected with Cambodian cartographers.
 

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Everyone loves statistics. Therefore I provide you with a list over the bloodiest wars and conflicts in history this far. For reference, the percieved aggressors are listed above the defenders. Note that the number of losses below is of men who died on the battlefield only. Losses due to attrition are not represented as they are not stored in the saves.

1. The Slavic Hegemonic wars. (15/03/1540-Present)
Participants:

Novgorod, Croatia, Qin, Tripoli, Ethiopia, Kongo, Punjab, Khmer, Bengal.

vs


Bavaria, The Roman Khanate, Qin, Persia, Punjab, Catalunya, Malaya, England.

The entire conflict:
Total losses: 7 692 342
Novgorod and her allies: 3 291 785 (43%)
Bavaria and her allies: 4 400 557 (57%)

The largest war in this conflict:
Novgorodian-Bavarian Imperialist War. (12/03/1640-10/07/1643)

Novgorod, Croatia, Khmer, Punjab, Ethiopia.

vs


Bavaria, England, The Roman Khanate, Persia, Qin.
Total losses: 1 714 016
Novgorod and her allies: 726 148 (42%)
Bavaria and her allies: 987 868 (58%)


Outcome:
After more than a century of warfare, unstable truces and power politics the Slavs back down in the face of Malayan pressure and international mobilization efforts. Much of which was conquered previously during this conflict was thereby returned to their former owners. This conflict is beginning to ebb out but for in Siberia where there are still border disputes causing tensions between Novgorod and The Roman Khanate and her allies in Qin.

2. The Georgian Wars. (30/10/1405-13/01/1444)
Participants:

Novgorod.

vs


Persia, Tripoli, Bavaria, Catalunya.

Total losses: 1 466 051
Novgorod: 680 165 (46 %)
Persia and her allies: 785 886 (54%)

Outcome:
Russian victory. Russia gains all the lands south to, and including, the Georgian region.


3. The Malayan wars. (16/05/1663-01/11/1670)
Participants:

Catalunya, Ethiopia, Kongo, Tripoli, Khmer.

vs


Malaya, Bengal, Novgorod, Persia, Punjab, Qin, The Roman Khanate, England.

Total men lost: 769 649
Catalunya and her allies: 545 022 (71%)
Malaya and her allies: 224 627 (29%)

Naval losses: 541
Catalunya and her allies: 180 ships. (33%)
Malaya and her allies: 361 ships. (67%)

Outcome:
Malayan victory.


4. Sino-Bavarian conflict. (14/02/1519-01/04/1543)
Participants:

Bavaria.

vs


Qin, The Roman Khanate, Punjab.

Total losses: 714 052
Bavaria: 242 371
Qin and her allies: 471 681

Outcome:
Qin victory. Bavaria was forced to withdraw from Asia east of Mysore.The culmination of this conflict marks the beginning of the Slavic Hegemonic wars.


5. The Partitioning of India. (06/07/1484-28/05/1550)
Participants:

Tripoli, Kongo, Ethiopia, Catalunya, England, Quebec.

vs


Gujarat, The Roman Khanate, Qin, Punjab, Khmer.

Total losses: 684 263
Tripoli and her allies: 250 748 (37%)
Gujarat and her allies: 433 515 (63%)

Outcome:
The invaders are victorious and the Indian subcontinent is partitioned between the victorious powers.
 
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The World in 1670

USA

The USA still focuses on income more than its military, possessing relatively few military buildings and enjoying great wealth from trade. It has, however, embraced several land military ideas and built up a relatively large army - 400 regiments is a not inconsiderable force on the American continent, where armies have generally been much smaller than in the rest of the world.

Navally, the USA remains a medium power. It has a blue-water navy, but its navy is probably the weakest of any serious fleet, lacking most of the naval ideas or decisions. So while the USA can safely deny the seas to a fleet-less enemy, it must tread carefully amongst the true naval powers.

Catalunya

Catalunya fields currently the world's second-strongest fleet; in normal situations, the third-strongest, but Malaya is hurting at the moment. With a stronger naval focus than its northern neighbor, it nonetheless fields a decent-size army, just slightly smaller than the Mayan military. Also like the USA, Catalunya is strong economically, though more of its income comes from production than trade compared to the USA.

Catalunya does not need to worry quite as much as the USA about losing wars, since it has a much stronger navy that it can use to block access to South America. It does, however, have Iberia, which has proven as much a hindrance as a benefit; when a European land power wants to bring Catalunya to the peace table, Iberia is threatened, and unlike the Americas the fleets cannot block access.

England

England has dealt poorly with its size - it is one of the largest nations in the world in terms of provinces, but lacks the income to match, leaving it behind in tech. It has relatively few level 6 buildings of any kind, and struggles to pay for the military with a likewise small census tax. The complete annexation of Huron, saddling England with a number of poor, non-core, wrong religion and wrong culture overseas provinces also dragged heavily on England's tech for decades, and it is only just starting to recover. Golle has, however, invested considerable resources in preparing for a move to the Americas, and time will tell if that can reverse England's fortunes.

England fields the smallest and worst army in Europe, well behind in tech, but a decent navy that is only slightly behind technologically. In the tally of naval powers England stands behind Malaya, Ethiopia and Catalunya, but ahead of Kongo and the USA.

Bavaria

Bavaria fields the world's largest army by a decent margin, and possesses a world-leading income as well. It has recovered significant swathes of territory once lost to the Slavs, and also gained much of France in the interim - looking at the Bavaria of today, one can barely tell how it teetered on the brink of destruction decades ago, and it may emerge stronger than it began when all is over. Then again, owning the world's richest concentration of provinces will do that.

Nearly 1.2 million soldiers under arms and high military tradition makes Bavaria a power not to be trifled with. If it has an Achilles heel, it is the lack of a fleet; its American provinces are vulnerable to naval powers. Then again, Bavaria need not care very much if the Americas are occupied, and in any case, has long been friendly with Catalunya and its world-class fleet.

Croatia

Croatia has returned significant territories to Bavaria, but can still call upon a formidable army of around 500 regiments (currently; there's head room). Military tradition and the economy are good, but Croatia is also surrounded by powerful land nations - Persia, Bavaria, Russia - any one of which could fight it to a standstill or worse. It must tread carefully.

Russia

The Russian army is second only to Bavaria's, but Russia has far more neighbors to worry about - it borders England, Bavaria, Croatia, Persia, Punjab and the Khanate, and has at some point taken bites out of almost all of them. Regardless, Russia retains a formidable army and a good economy - roughly a thousand regiments, and excellent military tradition. Russia also won powerful military decisions in the auction that let it punch somewhat above its weight compared to other land powers. It still has the various toll and trade route modifiers that enhance its provinces' production and trade income.

Persia

Persia has good production income but terrible trade. It is, more or less, an army with a state; it has spammed conscription centers in nearly every available province, and has military ideas and decisions that, like Russia, allow it to punch considerably above its weight. Not that its weight is small, with a forcelimit of 700 and 600 regiments currently.

Tripoli

Tripoli is in bad shape at the moment due to being largely occupied by Persia and Qin. It retains about a hundred regiments.

Tripolitanian trade, and thus overall income, has suffered the last several decades due to low prestige and other such factors. In normal, non-occupied times it can field perhaps 250 regiments, with moderate tradition.

Kongo

Kongo currently is hampered by a dual focus; land sliders, but several naval buildings and ideas in order to allow it to function as a hybrid power. In income, it is a bit higher than average, certainly enough to support its military. Navally, Kongo fields a middling fleet, better than most, but only superior to (perhaps) the USA among other naval powers. On land, Kongo fields about 400 regiments of cannibal soldiers, a number which has proved inadequate to defend Africa, leadng to a loss in the recent war and the ceding of ten provinces, six to Bengal and four to Punjab.

Ethiopia

Ethiopia is the richest of the African powers, but also shares a land border with Persia, which has been problematic given Ethiopia's naval specialization. The Ethiopian army, 500 regiments at its height, is usually the largest of the naval powers (due to said border) but is currently attrited somewhat due to war, with slightly over 400 regiments still in the field. The Ethiopian navy is excellent, second only to the Malayan in quality and currently second to none in size and technology. A large census tax and high production income funds both.

Punjab

A poor power recently vassalised by Persia, Punjab does what it can with its land specialty. It fields 300 regiments of decent quality, with moderate army tradition. It is unique among player nations in having no navy at all.

Mongol Khanate

The Khan rules a poor nation, with low taxes and little trade. The bright spot is a good production income fueled by the Siberian iron and copper, which pays for a decent-size army of 375 regiments. The Mongol army boasts good leaders and tradition as well as specialized ideas, but has a mixed record in actual combat. In particular, the Ethiopian Janissary Corps under its recently departed leadership boasted a nearly two-century record against the Khanate - studded with frequent wars - in which the Khanate's troops lost every battle against Ethiopian soldiers in every war in which they fought. The last time Mongol troops defeated an Ethiopian army in battle was during the First Crusade against Gujarat, sometime around 1490. :cool:

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Qin

Qin is a fairly wealthy nation - on the scale of Croatia - but boasts a very large and formidable (and expensive) army. Qin's 850-regiment army is over double its forcelimit, and possesses skilled leadership. Defensible terrain makes Qin a tough nut to crack when it is defended, although sometimes it is not. Qin's player has a tendency to send almost his entire army to fight in distant wars - currently, for example, less than 150 regiments are east of Punjab - but has so far managed to avoid his neighbors taking advantage.

Bengal

Bengal fields a tiny military - barely forty regiments - and a similar-sized fleet. Much of the fleet is outdated - Bengal is the only nation in the world to still field a caravel-and-barque navy - but the nation is actually reasonably wealthy for its size and the army is up to date. The national ideas also slant towards land, though it does not have all the land ideas.

Khmer

Khmer is somewhat larger than Bengal and fields a larger army (120 regiments), but in other respects is much the same. Bengal's provinces are wealthier, but overall wealth is much the same, and like Bengal, Khmer has some of the land military ideas, but not all. A minor player compared to the behemoth Qin army next door.

Malaya

In control of much of Japan, Malaya has not let its naval focus distract it from fielding a large army. With the highest naval forcelimit in the world, over 1000, and a growing army currently at 400 regiments, as well as high trade income, Malaya is a formidable power in Southeast Asia. It possesses the world's best naval tradition and has built up a decent land tradition as well despite Thalassocracy's penalty to such.
 
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Steppe Warfare

It is, as the tired old cliche has it, no joke to fight in Siberia, whether in winter or summer. That the Russian and Mongolian armies nevertheless managed, not only to fight, but to maintain in the field forces of the same order of magnitude as those which might settle affairs in a European campaign, and keep them supplied over an area ten times that of Europe, calls for explanation.

To some extent the feat is explained by the nature of the armies; both sides still recruited extensively among allied and subject nomads - on the steppe, the boundaries of loyalty, sovereignty, and alliance were, like the borders of nations, hard to delineate exactly - and the nomad ponies were capable surviving on forage even in winter, digging under the snow for the last bits of grass. Nevertheless, both sides also fielded regular heavy cavalry and infantry, and these required formal logistics in the European style. Why, then, did the combatants choose such a costly form of war, when light cavalry were effectively free and much better suited to the terrain?

The treeless steppe, offering neither strategic bottlenecks, easily defensible lines, or territory productive enough to force an enemy to fight for it, made clearer than ever the strategic maxim that the proper objective of war is the enemy's army. However, skirmishing light cavalry was unable to inflict decisive defeat on a similarly armed opponent backed by a powerful state; although Genghis and Timurlane - and Alexandros Komnenos - had forced enemy tribes to submit, they did so by threatening herds and grazing grounds. This strategy was unavailable to either the Khanate or the Russians, who could move an allied tribe's animals and noncombatants into secure territory and feed them from the surplus of their settled lands, at least for the duration of the war. With the capital assets of the tribes thus out of harm's way, no amount of skirmishing could force a decision; the casualties of such combat were simply not high enough.

To overcome this besetting indecisiveness, both sides attempted to use their heavy cavalry as a hammer, to smash the enemy's light cavalry and destroy a tribe's ability to fight by inflicting massive casualties. This, of course, required an anvil, or the nomads would simply scatter and evade the blow; in settled lands the anvil is traditionally supplied by an obstacle such as a river or a narrow pass, but the featureless steppe offered no such. The cherta lines of fortifications, used in peacetime as bases for punitive expeditions to keep the tribes under control, were nowhere near concentrated enough to act as barriers. Nor could more forts be built quickly when every beam had to be imported from forests hundreds of miles away; enough to have built forts in supporting distance of each other over a fighting front that stretched for 500 miles would in any case have been a project for years or perhaps decades. Hence the final element in the armies: Regiments of regular infantry, armed with muskets and often fighting from laagered wagons, who could act as mobile forts against which the light cavalry, if outmanouvred or otherwise forced to retreat, might be crushed.

However, since both sides possessed regular troops, such success was rare. Infantry dispersed to act as a linear obstacle could not resist the attack of enemy infantry; infantry gathered together to fight their own kind could not cover a long enough front to prevent light cavalry from escaping. As is common when enemies of roughly equal capability meet, therefore, victory became a matter of local superiority. In the nature of things, the heavy infantry could not concentrate rapidly, and any attempt to gather an overwhelming force gave the enemy plenty of time to react. The war therefore became a struggle of attrition, with something like a recognised front line, permeable to raiding parties but not to regular troops. The regular troops had been brought onto the steppe in an effort to destroy the light cavalry; now, inverting that purpose, the light cavalry tried to drive the regulars out by raiding the endless supply columns that snaked their way across each side's territory. But to slip a large party through the lines invited the concentration of heavy cavalry and supporting infantry to destroy them, in accordance with the analysis above; and small parties proved unable to inflict a serious check on the flow of supplies. The war therefore became a stalemate, in which the Khanate had some advantage because it could commit a larger force to the steppe front; the Russians, although their overall force was greater, had to keep substantial forces in Europe against rebellion and the risk of another Power intervening at a vulnerable moment. They also had to keep their southern border defended against the armies of Rome's ally Qin; a combination of bribes and threats had allowed the Chinese armies to pass through ostensibly-neutral Punjab and Persia in what is certainly the most ambitious flanking operation in history. Although the maneuver looked brilliant on paper, its execution foundered in the face of a thousand miles of mountainous terrain and bad roads; nevertheless, in drawing off a large part of Russia's armed strength, it enabled the Roman army to win local successes on the Siberian front by sheer force of numbers, moving the front line west by hundreds of miles.

Hundreds of miles, however, did not suffice to reach even the Urals, whose fortified passes would be a formidable challenge; and the brute fact remained that no amount of territory or men lost east of the Urals could force Russia to the peace table. Recognition of this fact, rather than any perceived need to shift troops south against already-overmatched Ethiopia, led Rome to cut its losses and negotiate a treaty leaving the borders essentially unchanged. The point had nevertheless been made, that the Khanate was now able to defy Russia without a European ally: There would be no more cessions of territory caused by disasters on the distant Oder. Henceforth Rome would stand or fall on events in Asia; the Komnenos state had thus again become master of its own destiny.
 

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Go Roman Khanate!

I can't imagine what sort of state this would be in the 20th Century though.
 

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Signing the fate of a nation

July 15th 1667
Tankero, Morrocco
HQ of the Caliph Nedim


Four months ago the Combined Armies of Persia, Novogorod and Qin declared war on Tripoli and marched over to border to Palestine. This attack was unprovoked and unjust, it could clearly be seen that the Persians couldn't do diplomacy and couldn't fight wars alone. Tripolitanian armies had been set to form a defensive line from Dementia to Cairo and burn everything in Palestine and Sinai. With this move the Egyptian government and high command bought themselves just enough time to evacuate the major cities of Cairo and Alexandria and only token forces made up from volunteers were left to guard the cities so that the retreating armies from the front would have safe passage to new defensive positions. The CAPNQ armies were too numerous and soon the Dementia line was defeated but the Egyptians knew how to move in their own territory and were faster to retreat to new positions while burning everything on their way to slow down the advance. The plan was simple to stall the enemy advance and retreat to Algeria where they could better defend themselves. Three major army regiments fought against the Persians in Egypt, Green Army, Yellow Army and Red Army. They were to retreat trough the coastline to Algeria but only Green and Yellow armies made it to Algeria where the others were waiting. The Red Army General Ali bin Derka decided to lure the Persian armies to south towards Rush and the Ethiopian border just to buy time for the others. This was successful as the Persian armies followed bin Derka trough the burned down lands of South Egypt losing men to attrition and bandits. While the others prepared to defend the City of Tivolitanian in Libya, bin Derka set up his armies to defend the holy city of Rushstan.

That was four months ago. Now Caliph Nedim together with his general staff had retreated from Tunis to Tankero away from the invading armies of Qin. Algeria had been lost, no news had been heard from bin Derka and his Red Army and Yellow Army retreated to the town of Tali-Ihantala near the border of Kongo while Green Army was to defend the Caliph and the city of Tankero. Small regiments were still trying to stall the Qinese advance by attacking them and scorching land behind them with success and the Qin armies were not able to advance fast enough to catch all of the Egyptian armies that were on the run. News had arrived from Caribbean where the Novogorodian armies who had once been friends had turned against Egyptians there and taken over Tortuga, Isla Sorna and Isla Nublar. But something there was fighting back and rumors were that Tortuga had been liberated. No matter what had happened there it had little effect on the outcome of the war. Except strange invitation had come to Nedim from a person who called himself the true Caliph of Persia. He was offering peace with good terms which would save alot of time and trouble for both sides. He was asking for a meeting in Mosul next month to sign a peace treaty. Nedims staff were suspicios about this but Nedim wanted to go to this meeting as for him it didn't matter if it was a trap because it would just mean that he wouldn't be there when all would be lost but if this person was legitimate then he could have the chance to save Egypt for a better tomorrow.
 

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Also for the notice, Croatia surrendered before any of those 3million managed to even cross the borders ;)
 
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