I have 41 provinces, he has 50. 10 of which already have naval arsenals, I'm fairly skeptical the gap will be close much less ovetaken me as I can build them too and intend to build them in every province.
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I have 41 provinces, he has 50. 10 of which already have naval arsenals, I'm fairly skeptical the gap will be close much less ovetaken me as I can build them too and intend to build them in every province.
50 for now another 40 in japan where ill put my 30 conscription centers so ill hit the magical 1.2milion manpower
Evryone will be spamming conscription centers anyhow for pop i will be very suprised if most countries dont have beetween 1.5-2mil manpower
So now that WTO or World Trade Organization has ran it's first full session as 5 member organization it is time to make sure that all know the rules that I've come up with for my organization, which I so generously uphold on the cost of magistrates.
World Trade Organization is voluntarily organization which you apply for a membership by paying an amount of four thousand ducats or with an gift that is of the same value. This gets you an access to all the benefits of the only Trade League in the world. There are no refunds.
Membership of WTO must be re-purchased after 55 years. Re-purchase price is two thousand ducats. If one have been kicked out from the league after violation against good manners the re-purchase price is the same as for new members.
WTO is lead by Tripoli (Me) and Tripoli has the right to choose who are taken in and who are kicked out.
WTO is not an treaty organization such as an Defensive Alliance or Non-Aggression Pact. Nothing is signed and nothing is enforced except the expelling of members if they act against good manners. DAs and NAPs signed between individuals go before WTO member relations.
The following are considered as Acts against good manners:
About African Trade. In order one to be allowed to trade in Africa one must acquire an proper trading license from the three African nations; Tripoli, Kongo and Ethiopia. Without an license one is not allowed to trade in Africa and one may lose it's position in WTO for a certain period of time or forever. As said earlier treaties signed between individuals go before WTO and thus license to trade in Africa is required according to the Treaty of African Brotherhood.
Questions are to be asked from Tripoli directly.
World Trade Organization
World Trade Organization is voluntarily organization which you apply for a membership by paying an amount of four thousand ducats or with an gift that is of the same value. This gets you an access to all the benefits of the only Trade League in the world. There are no refunds.
Membership of WTO must be re-purchased after 55 years. Re-purchase price is two thousand ducats. If one have been kicked out from the league after violation against good manners the re-purchase price is the same as for new members.
WTO is lead by Tripoli (Me) and Tripoli has the right to choose who are taken in and who are kicked out.
WTO is not an treaty organization such as an Defensive Alliance or Non-Aggression Pact. Nothing is signed and nothing is enforced except the expelling of members if they act against good manners. DAs and NAPs signed between individuals go before WTO member relations.
The following are considered as Acts against good manners:
- Attacking Tripoli or threatening Tripoli
- Attacking Allies of Tripoli or threatening them
- Annexing a human player nation. (Even China)
- Trading in African CoT's without an proper license.
- Unjust acts against Shiite Muslims
About African Trade. In order one to be allowed to trade in Africa one must acquire an proper trading license from the three African nations; Tripoli, Kongo and Ethiopia. Without an license one is not allowed to trade in Africa and one may lose it's position in WTO for a certain period of time or forever. As said earlier treaties signed between individuals go before WTO and thus license to trade in Africa is required according to the Treaty of African Brotherhood.
Questions are to be asked from Tripoli directly.
Africa it seems. Ethiopia and Malaya have the following treaty:
which was extended in 1560 and now expires in 1600 (current date: 1571)
Hot off the presses, however: Elcyion has demanded that I assent to his breaking the clause of our treaty that prevents him attacking Tripoli (Ike and Elcy are having a trade dispute, it seems, although the details are still not entirely clear to me), threatening attack and blockade otherwise.
The Ethiopian response was negative, and war looms.
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You can't if its a stale mate or your unable to acquire even 40% warscore.
Hmm, while he might win a war at sea, the land part of the deal might be a little more challenging. I suggest you guys have a war next session to see how it plays out.
Ethiopia is mostly coastline; a blockade would presumably be quite bad for its economy. Further, Malaya might invade India. Without control of the Indian Ocean, Ethiopia would be hard pressed to defend both its big land areas - he'd have to keep two armies each as large as Malaya's. Or get land access through Persia and Punjab; but even so, that's a long way to march. The Indian Ocean is the center of gravity in any conflict between Africa and Malaya. Whoever controls it is fighting on interior lines, and can strike at will where the enemy is weak.
Hmm, while he might win a war at sea, the land part of the deal might be a little more challenging. I suggest you guys have a war next session to see how it plays out.
As attractive as the prospect of Elcyion shoving his fleet up my ass is I think I will have to decline. Elcy's agreed to honor the treaty we signed.
Speaking hypothetically now, though, KOM is broadly correct in that any war between Africa and Malaya (or, tbh, between Malaya and anyone except maybe Russia) would be decided on the sea. Land battles would be merely to determine how badly the loser lost. Of course Malaya's navy outweighs mine: Malaya has Thalassocracy, the best naval decision in the game, and is free to completely specialize in the naval ideas and buildings, so I suspect it could always be counted on to win every one on one war againt any other naval power in the world. A coalition is a different matter, but Elcyion has been doing pretty well at isolating his foes, fighting only one naval power at a time before moving on to the next. Malaya has, IIRC, managed to avoid ever fighting more than one country at a time in the entire time Elcy has played it.
Ethiopia OTOH is currently a hybrid land/naval power, which has its strengths, but also has its weaknesses.
For Africa, certainly, but there are some other powers I don't see it for. If Malaya got into a fight with Persia, I don't see what Persia is going to do about it except fight off any Malayan invasion attempts; but conversely, what's Malaya going to do except blockade Persia's coastline? Such a thing would obviously be painful for Persia, but I don't see it as being decisive. The same for Russia, except that a Malayan invasion attempt would be even more hopeless. Same for Qin, the Khanate, and Punjab, except that a Malayan invasion has a slightly better chance of success. None of these powers have any hope of hurting Malaya, which can remain at war with them as long as it likes and blockade their coastlines for the rest of the game; but that's unlikely to be decisive in itself, unless Malaya's demands were very modest, enough so to be less painful than the blockade. Such a war might drag on for decades. Come to think of it, the Second Baltic War in the previous megacampaign did go on for twenty years, when a naval power tried to blockade-and-colony-grab two continental powers into submission.
The Americas: Lands of the Forgotten
Forward:
So I have sorta been putting off writing an AAR, and not really knowing where to start or having the time write something in sufficient detail.
Till well now
After having read a few others AAR's, I've come to a sad conclusion that either,
a) very few (peanuts) actually realize that there are player nations in the Americas
b) and those few players who do acknowledge our existence (are few and far between) are content to dictate over entire continents without any concern for what sort of seeds of diplomacy and discontent they are planting.
So I present my first ARR (covering the Americas in its entirety, but with a focus on the USA - it has been written the consent of both Chiles and Québec’s Historians)
titled;
The Americas: Lands of the Forgotten (the Abused, the Used and the Thrown Away)
The Native Americas had a decent start, the scenario gave each of the three American nations (Huron/Quebec, Maya/USA, and Inca/Chile *) the tools needed to succeed in the long run, being about on par with the various third world nations. Unfortunately, the Native American Golden Age of expansion and prosperity was to be short lived, and only the calm before the storm.
By the beginning of the 1470's the America’s had just gone through considerable change.
Chile was in ruins with its great cities razed to the ground, and its ruler publicly beheaded at temple mount at Machu Picchu.
The USA had its government gutted, replaced by one forced to be loyal to the Catalunian Crown, and was also in the middle of skyrocketing inflation and interest rates due to astronomical spending far in excess of its ability to afford and had racked up considerable debt to certain foreign investors.
And finally in the north Quebec was just finishing up a life or death struggle having lost its charismatic leader part way through (Chieftain Anders died valiantly leading a final charge against European invaders), but managed to just barely survive through a series of surprisingly successful battles for the Quebecois natives.
That survival, like that of the USA to the South came at the cost of its freedom and nearly two decades of brutal fighting, and would over the coming years have to endure a dictator far crueler than those faced by the USA.
Let me back track a minute to explain the Native American viewpoint, on how Catalunia, Bavaria, England and Malaya all conspired to partition the Americas between them.
Even before the game had begun each of the various Native American nations had each attempted to make their own deals with the Europeans, hoping that once they arrived everything would have been already sorted out amicably. It did not take long for us to realize that the Europeans were at best, being non-committal to any of our proposed deals, for the most part saying they will think it over. After few letters back and forth it seemed clear that at least one of the European nations was interested in Conquest, revealed in part by their agreement to prevent advance technologies from entering the hands of the natives or asians(a policy, btw that failed horribly).
The native nations continued each session to request some sort of deal with the Europeans, and we continued to receive non-answers or false assurances.
The full extent of the collusion of the Europeans wasn't revealed until the first surprise strikes came.
Catalunia and Malaya simultaneously invaded Chile landing in modern day Argentina and Ecuador respectively with the intentions to annex Chile.
England meanwhile sent its formidable North American Garrisons to annex Quebec.
The plan was for all of what is modern day Canada, and the North in the American Civil war would go to England.
Bavaria would get the CSA.
Spain would get 3/4 of South America, along with most of the Caribbean, and Central America, including all of Mexico at its height.
Malaya would be left with some of the best of Chile's provinces, for 1/4 of South America.
Maybe by fluke, or by careful spying, research and planning, the opening assaults targeted the two powers with the smallest forces, avoiding the USA, with its Garrison being the size both Quebec and Chile combined, plus a respectable Galley Navy in the Caribbean.
This was in part due to a boast made a few session earlier by Malaya that it had the ability to be the first to new world and first to conquer it, leading the USA to mobilize somewhat.
Unfortunately, for Chile, their belief in their leaders diplomatic skills, lead to their defeat, having spent far too much time talking and not enough time leading the men to victory.
That said, they still put up decent fight, quite likely putting up more resistance than was expected for this surprise attack.
Meanwhile in Quebec, its chieftain Anders brought about the great early successes against the English forces deployed there, forcing Bavaria to send in some its crack troops and its mighty artillery regiments to crush the natives.
Here is an excerpt from on the survivors from their leaders final minutes:
"Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred.
...
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.* "
Their Chieftain and nearly all of his elite guard fell that day, forever to live on as a hero of all Native Americans.
His replacement came from diplomatic wing of government, having position himself to gain power with the death of most of the war chiefs.
He would be remembered by many of his people as a traitor, surrendering while they still had the means to fight on (albeit at a fraction of the power they had earlier in the war). It ultimately came down to England, having been given a bloody nose, and wanting an out to the conflict, not wanting to be stuck in war for yet another decade, and as such they accepted the conditional surrender of Quebec.
One might wonder what the USA was up to during this entire time.
From the moment Chile was invaded, efforts were made across the USA to mobilize, every available man was drafted into Calvary regiments, and shipyards started producing large ships to compliment the already existing galleys. Diplomats were sent out to all corners of globe requesting immediate loans.
With funding the army and navy were expanded well beyond the supply limits and national ideas were swapped out for ideas for war.
With everything ready the US lay in waiting.
And they waited.
And waited.
Aside from a handful of ships (possibly carrying troops, but swiftly sent to the bottom) nothing of significance came.
Chile had managed to be just resilient enough to slow down the enemy forces to south and to the North there came rumours that English were crumbling and were to be pushed back to the sea.
That first warring session ended with both pairs of powers knee-deep enemies, giving the USA ample time to negotiate a future that did not involve simultaneous invasion by all 4 powers once they were each down with their respective wars.
(To be fair, I would need only keep my armies alive for 20 years before certain other European powers pledged to make their move)
And so during the intervening week efforts were made to come to some sort of agreement with just about anyone.
The first attempts were made to get England and Malaya to stay out of any fight the USA might have with Bavaria or Catalunia, neither yielded any solid results.
If that didn’t work, then the plan was to try and warm up to one of the bigger powers.
First choice for a prospective alliance was with Bavaria. The arrangement was in exchange for allowing my continued to survival, we would strive to work together, and that I would support him in his wars if called, and would help with garrison duties in his portion of the new world. Germany refused, and did not seem very open to the idea of anyone surviving at all in the new world.
So with the other options exhausted, Catalunia was contacted, and the same proposal was made.
After an excruciating long delay, a reply was sent, essentially surrendering to vassalization, giving up of any extraterritorial ambitions other than California. Diplomacy would be forced to fall in step with whatever trends in Catalunia, and my markets would be open to my conquerors.
So while this proposal left me little room, and no guaranteed avenue for independence down the road, at the time with risks that were involved if I did not accept, I figured it was my only certain means of survival.
And that was how Native American’s fell to tyrants and European Dictators.
But fear not, this is only the beginning of what is shaping up to be fascinating history, one that promises to be filled with political intrigue, backroom deals, broken promises, rising stars and glorious battles for the dominance of a continent.
* Poem
AAR Reward: Magistrates (unless I already have more than 3, in which case colonists please)
Forward:
So I have sorta been putting off writing an AAR, and not really knowing where to start or having the time write something in sufficient detail.
Till well now
After having read a few others AAR's, I've come to a sad conclusion that either,
a) very few (peanuts) actually realize that there are player nations in the Americas
b) and those few players who do acknowledge our existence (are few and far between) are content to dictate over entire continents without any concern for what sort of seeds of diplomacy and discontent they are planting.
So I present my first ARR (covering the Americas in its entirety, but with a focus on the USA - it has been written the consent of both Chiles and Québec’s Historians)
titled;
The Americas: Lands of the Forgotten (the Abused, the Used and the Thrown Away)
The Native Americas had a decent start, the scenario gave each of the three American nations (Huron/Quebec, Maya/USA, and Inca/Chile *) the tools needed to succeed in the long run, being about on par with the various third world nations. Unfortunately, the Native American Golden Age of expansion and prosperity was to be short lived, and only the calm before the storm.
By the beginning of the 1470's the America’s had just gone through considerable change.
Chile was in ruins with its great cities razed to the ground, and its ruler publicly beheaded at temple mount at Machu Picchu.
The USA had its government gutted, replaced by one forced to be loyal to the Catalunian Crown, and was also in the middle of skyrocketing inflation and interest rates due to astronomical spending far in excess of its ability to afford and had racked up considerable debt to certain foreign investors.
And finally in the north Quebec was just finishing up a life or death struggle having lost its charismatic leader part way through (Chieftain Anders died valiantly leading a final charge against European invaders), but managed to just barely survive through a series of surprisingly successful battles for the Quebecois natives.
That survival, like that of the USA to the South came at the cost of its freedom and nearly two decades of brutal fighting, and would over the coming years have to endure a dictator far crueler than those faced by the USA.
Let me back track a minute to explain the Native American viewpoint, on how Catalunia, Bavaria, England and Malaya all conspired to partition the Americas between them.
Even before the game had begun each of the various Native American nations had each attempted to make their own deals with the Europeans, hoping that once they arrived everything would have been already sorted out amicably. It did not take long for us to realize that the Europeans were at best, being non-committal to any of our proposed deals, for the most part saying they will think it over. After few letters back and forth it seemed clear that at least one of the European nations was interested in Conquest, revealed in part by their agreement to prevent advance technologies from entering the hands of the natives or asians(a policy, btw that failed horribly).
The native nations continued each session to request some sort of deal with the Europeans, and we continued to receive non-answers or false assurances.
The full extent of the collusion of the Europeans wasn't revealed until the first surprise strikes came.
Catalunia and Malaya simultaneously invaded Chile landing in modern day Argentina and Ecuador respectively with the intentions to annex Chile.
England meanwhile sent its formidable North American Garrisons to annex Quebec.
The plan was for all of what is modern day Canada, and the North in the American Civil war would go to England.
Bavaria would get the CSA.
Spain would get 3/4 of South America, along with most of the Caribbean, and Central America, including all of Mexico at its height.
Malaya would be left with some of the best of Chile's provinces, for 1/4 of South America.
Maybe by fluke, or by careful spying, research and planning, the opening assaults targeted the two powers with the smallest forces, avoiding the USA, with its Garrison being the size both Quebec and Chile combined, plus a respectable Galley Navy in the Caribbean.
This was in part due to a boast made a few session earlier by Malaya that it had the ability to be the first to new world and first to conquer it, leading the USA to mobilize somewhat.
Unfortunately, for Chile, their belief in their leaders diplomatic skills, lead to their defeat, having spent far too much time talking and not enough time leading the men to victory.
That said, they still put up decent fight, quite likely putting up more resistance than was expected for this surprise attack.
Meanwhile in Quebec, its chieftain Anders brought about the great early successes against the English forces deployed there, forcing Bavaria to send in some its crack troops and its mighty artillery regiments to crush the natives.
Here is an excerpt from on the survivors from their leaders final minutes:
"Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred.
...
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.* "
Their Chieftain and nearly all of his elite guard fell that day, forever to live on as a hero of all Native Americans.
His replacement came from diplomatic wing of government, having position himself to gain power with the death of most of the war chiefs.
He would be remembered by many of his people as a traitor, surrendering while they still had the means to fight on (albeit at a fraction of the power they had earlier in the war). It ultimately came down to England, having been given a bloody nose, and wanting an out to the conflict, not wanting to be stuck in war for yet another decade, and as such they accepted the conditional surrender of Quebec.
One might wonder what the USA was up to during this entire time.
From the moment Chile was invaded, efforts were made across the USA to mobilize, every available man was drafted into Calvary regiments, and shipyards started producing large ships to compliment the already existing galleys. Diplomats were sent out to all corners of globe requesting immediate loans.
With funding the army and navy were expanded well beyond the supply limits and national ideas were swapped out for ideas for war.
With everything ready the US lay in waiting.
And they waited.
And waited.
Aside from a handful of ships (possibly carrying troops, but swiftly sent to the bottom) nothing of significance came.
Chile had managed to be just resilient enough to slow down the enemy forces to south and to the North there came rumours that English were crumbling and were to be pushed back to the sea.
That first warring session ended with both pairs of powers knee-deep enemies, giving the USA ample time to negotiate a future that did not involve simultaneous invasion by all 4 powers once they were each down with their respective wars.
(To be fair, I would need only keep my armies alive for 20 years before certain other European powers pledged to make their move)
And so during the intervening week efforts were made to come to some sort of agreement with just about anyone.
The first attempts were made to get England and Malaya to stay out of any fight the USA might have with Bavaria or Catalunia, neither yielded any solid results.
If that didn’t work, then the plan was to try and warm up to one of the bigger powers.
First choice for a prospective alliance was with Bavaria. The arrangement was in exchange for allowing my continued to survival, we would strive to work together, and that I would support him in his wars if called, and would help with garrison duties in his portion of the new world. Germany refused, and did not seem very open to the idea of anyone surviving at all in the new world.
So with the other options exhausted, Catalunia was contacted, and the same proposal was made.
After an excruciating long delay, a reply was sent, essentially surrendering to vassalization, giving up of any extraterritorial ambitions other than California. Diplomacy would be forced to fall in step with whatever trends in Catalunia, and my markets would be open to my conquerors.
So while this proposal left me little room, and no guaranteed avenue for independence down the road, at the time with risks that were involved if I did not accept, I figured it was my only certain means of survival.
And that was how Native American’s fell to tyrants and European Dictators.
But fear not, this is only the beginning of what is shaping up to be fascinating history, one that promises to be filled with political intrigue, backroom deals, broken promises, rising stars and glorious battles for the dominance of a continent.
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AAR Reward: Magistrates (unless I already have more than 3, in which case colonists please)
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I would think that the Baltic War demonstrates my thesis; namely, control of the sea decided the winner of the war, and land fighting determined how badly the losers lost. In that case, the Germans didn't control the sea and so they lost, but they won the land fighting and so they did not lose badly.
No nations in the world except for Punjab and Russia can take a blockade without really noticing; the other powers you mention would not be inconsiderably hurt by a blockade. Persia has a fairly large coastline in Arabia, Persia proper, and Anatolia, and Mongolia has likewise a not inconsiderable coastline; Qin has that plus island possessions in Asia, and has been colonizing islands in Oceania.
Punjab doesn't count, though, since its fate is tied to Mongolia's which is significantly more blockade-vulnerable, and Mongolia controls its peace negotiations, so if Mongolia can be brough to peace Punjab automatically follows. So that is why I say only Russia. And yes, if it was a one on one of a non bordering naval power vs Persia or whatever, then if said naval power couldn't invade Persia it couldn't win very heavily; but its winning at least lightly is basically automatic, because it can hurt Persia and Persia can't hurt it.
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Russia can be weakened by full blockade plus spies in Muscat and Sound toll also Bospurus if Croatia denies MA... Evryone got a naval weakness somewhere...
Not saying that Malaya will go to war with the world or anything but naval is not to be ignored for any country generally (This post was made as a EU3 Player not as Malayan Player BTW)
Danomite, this peanut knew you guys were there. However, you guys have been quiet and I knew you were under tremendous pressure from the get go. It is good to get a little background about what was going on during the game from the horse's mouth though.
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