You shouldn't feel so defensive about this.
They can change their policies, and I can tell my opinion about that.
And I know how a business works, as I also own one.
Dat Price tho?
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You shouldn't feel so defensive about this.
They can change their policies, and I can tell my opinion about that.
And I know how a business works, as I also own one.
Paradox was less fan friendly 10 years ago then you had to get expansions to get your games patched to the latest version. Here you are not forced to purchase the edition with season passes but it is left as a choice for the consumer.
Given that they took an extra one and half year to develop HOI4 + showing it of in streams covering over 10 hours of fotages I would hardly call them an unfriendly company for the consumer.
Given that they took an extra one and half year to develop HOI4 + showing it of in streams covering over 10 hours of fotages I would hardly call them an unfriendly company for the consumer.
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Not defensive in the least. Just exasperated.
Paradox announces today that Hearts of Iron IV is available for pre-order. To me, that is 100% good news. And, the game is very reasonably priced to boot! Nothing negative I can discern in this information.
So it never ceases to amaze me how some people are absolutely *determined* to fabricate problems where no problems actually exist.
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I'm not a dev but the answer is yes. Steam takes off a cut from the price if you buy it there.
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Yes it is as it skip the middleman who otherwise take a cut from game sales.
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You tell me you are not defensive, but then you act extremely defensive.
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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It means that you think that something you like got criticised and you try to defend it.
Shall I link a definition about it?
defending or protecting someone or something from attack : helping to keep a person or thing safe
very anxious to challenge or avoid criticism.
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Field Marshal is a promissory note, more or less. This said, I might give it a go anyway.
Since it apparently needs spelling out -- I didn't link to Princess Bride out of genuine confusion over what the word "defensive" means.
Anyway, nevermind. This conversation is going nowhere useful.
You are obviously missing the point of the outrage.
Let me explain. The issue people like me take has two sides to it:
1. We are simply raising an issue to think about both in how Paradox sell their games and how people understand these sales. When there is so much hype for a game like this people are VERY quick to press the buy button without thinking first about all the aspects of buying something like that. There is nothing wrong about raising valid arguments for ordering a product prior to having any kind of glimpse of it and telling people "think about a, b and c before you make the purchase".
2. Speaking for myself here - If I didn't care about Paradox I'd say "screw it, let them do what they want". But I do care about this company since they make games I like and I don't want to lose my faith in it. And sales tactics such as these make a person like me doubt if Paradox will remain the outstanding company it was until now. When I buy a Paradox game I want to do it care free and not have to look for hidden surprises like this one, a mature consumer might be able to see the problems at a first glance but not someone who makes their first purchase.
And to be honest it would make me feel awfully terrible if I see the same sales tricks from Paradox as those that I see from big companies like EA, Activation and Ubisoft. I want to give my money to Paradox without feeling that I managed to "avoid the traps" like I do when I go to purchase a product from the previously mentioned companies. DLC's are about choice and allowing you to choose which elements of the game you want to ADD to your base game, there is no choice here - only promises for a base that isn't out yet and when they are out they are part of your game since you already bought them without knowing if you even wanted to add these elements or pay for them.
Anyone who continues to drum "you don't have to if you don't want to" is either missing the point or avoiding it intentionally, I am not retarded, I know there is no forcing of anything here, this is about my legitimate concern for the "soul" of this company and what it considers to be an honest approach to their customers and what is considered a "less honest" approach.
With that said, I am going to preorder the Cadet Edition of the game from the Paradox store to make sure they have every penny to make good DLC's for those who purchased the other editions
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US$90.00 for the Field Marshal Edition.
That works out to what, less than US$2.00 per week over the next year for a game that most of us will likely play for at least dozens of hours, if not much much more, over the same time period.
What other recreational fun can you have for less than US$2.00 a week? Even a decent beer costs more than that!
That works out to what, less than US$2.00 per week over the next year for a game that most of us will likely play for at least dozens of hours, if not much much more, over the same time period.
What other recreational fun can you have for less than US$2.00 a week? Even a decent beer costs more than that!
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I get it cheaper from steam due to one primarily thing.... NO EU VAT for me in Norway. At the price of around $70. I would buy from Paradox with no EU tax, but i just saved $20 through steam... Welp, im a consumer so.
I'm fine with their pricing. I am fine with Paradox making good money on these games. The thing is, no one else is making games like this. So I can't understand why people would worry about a few dollars or euros or pounds when, the alternative is a Paradox that isn't as successful and is not making these kind of great games.
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