Darkest Hour of the Modern Era[MDS Scenario]

[FCZP]

==New Revolters==

Russia: Siberia, Primrosk

what is "Primrosk"?

maybe Primorsk - but this is town in Russia
or
Primorsky Krai Guerrillas

http://globalvoicesonline.org/2010/10/18/russia-new-video-from-primorsky-krai-guerrillas/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p00bzpz1/Crossing_Continents_The_Primorsky_Partisans/

in last cause it can be used in mod

 

[whatguts]

US can also be broken into Deseret
France into burgundy
Italy into Sicily

 

[killera124]

Hello,if you haven't still researched the Bulgarian Ministers send me PM,i will help you

 

[T.j. Arnold]

what is "Primrosk"?

maybe Primorsk - but this is town in Russia
or
Primorsky Krai Guerrillas

http://globalvoicesonline.org/2010/10/18/russia-new-video-from-primorsky-krai-guerrillas/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p00bzpz1/Crossing_Continents_The_Primorsky_Partisans/

in last cause it can be used in mod

Primorsk was a fantasy state created in Kaiserreich, it was never an identity (other than a small town) and should not be included in this mod.

 

[Xie]

Primorsk was a fantasy state created in Kaiserreich, it was never an identity (other than a small town) and should not be included in this mod.

Removed it. Also added details for Russian Civil War. Meaning that all three major faction leaders may collapse if dissent rises high enough(AKA: There's Civil War events for most major powers).

 

[unmerged(425784)]

Look's great! Good luck.

 

[LouiST]

As this is a modern day scenario, I think the mod should deal with protests. How should they be treated?

 

[Xie]

As this is a modern day scenario, I think the mod should deal with protests. How should they be treated?

See page 1.

 

[CocoBZ]

I have matched the tech teams with their corresponding TAGs, link here.

Also, I have redone the pics for some ministers (added a nice white border at the edge): link

P.S. I'll take care of importing the MDS OOB so, if you have modified any of the inc files, please send them back to me.

 

[Moxaz]

what is "Primrosk"?

Primor'e is not sound good (in english of course. I suggest name "Far Eastern Republic"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_Eastern_Republic

 

[Adige]

Also Russian revolts; Chechnya, Kabardino-Balkar, Dagestan, Karachay–Cherkess, Adygea and also all in North Caucasian Republic.

 

[razorbird789]

Also Russian revolts; Chechnya, Kabardino-Balkar, Dagestan, Karachay–Cherkess, Adygea and also all in North Caucasian Republic.

there should e many new nations but i doesn't need to go overboard

I agree with Chechnya though

 

[LouiST]

For the key Chinese Civil War regional powers I suggest:

Central government based in Beijing(either communist or new, may also control north east China), Guangdong(very strong economy), Tibet and Sinjiang/Easturkestan(self proclaimed or aided by the west/India), a warlord based on Yangtze Delta(very strong economy)

 

[Limith]

If there were to be a civil war (incredibly unlikely), it'd be much more likely:

Chongqing China - Bo Xilai (Leninist, Economic Left, Political Authoritarian) - "Central" China - Cannot peacefully rejoin North China.
Beijing China - Xi Jingpin (Paternal Autocrat, Economic Right, Political Authoritarian) - "North" China - Cannot peacefully rejoin Central China.
Shanghai China - Business Clique (Fascist, Economic Right, Political Mixed) - "Southeast" China - Can peacefully rejoin Central or North China.
Xinjiang Autonomous Region - Neutral in Civil War, auto joins the victor (NAP with all, guaranteed by all, Paternal Autocrat, Economic Right, Political Authoritarian)
Tibet Autonomous Region - Neutral in Civil War, auto joins the victor (NAP with all, guaranteed by all, Social Conservative, Economic Mixed, Political Authoritarian)
South China - Business Clique (Social Conservative, Economic Right, Political Democratic) - Hong Kong + Aomen + some regional provinces in Guangdong ("preemptively occupied") - "South China", can peacefully  rejoin Southeast China or Republic of China
Republic of China - Ma Yingjiu (Social Conservative, Economic Right, Political Democratic) - "Republican" China

Flavor events:
====Northern China====
Wishes to protect the current status quo, sees the challenge by Central China as the greatest threat. It's leaders believe once Bo Xilai is subdued, the other provinces will fall in line. The central government is supported by the country as it is seen to be much cleaner than local governments. In addition, exisiting business communities are wary of any new order. As a result, Northern China remains in possession of cores on most of the Nation (except HK/Aomen). Corruption, however, remains a large problem. Given the political circumstances, any attempts at reducing corruption would greatly weaken the leadership unity needed to fight the war. As a result, any endeavors have to wait until after reunification.

*If (South Unified by Southern/Southeastern/Central): Northeastern China threatens to secede. (+ Corruption OR secede Northeastern China to Unified South)
*If (Central China Annexed): Begin peace negotiations with remaining factions (100% chance with Southeastern China, Xinjiang AR, Tibet AR, Chance with South China varies based on army ratio)
*Offer political concessions to Southeastern China
*If (Offer political concessions to Southeastern China): Chance of reunification (45%), Increases corruption
*Offer political concessions to Southern China -> Chance of reunification (25%), Increases corruption
*Anti-corruption protests (persistent): +5 % Dissent
*If (Dissent > 50%) Democratic Revolution -> Country becomes democratic
*If (Democratic) -> Reunification with Republic of China, annexed by RoC
*Water Shortages: +5% dissent/yearly if Southeastern China not owned
*Abandon the "Communist" Party Name?: +5% Dissent, Chance of reunification with Southeastern China (45%), South China (30%)

====Central China====
Wishes to change the status quo. Believes (correctly) the current establishment is run by counter-revolutionary rightists. Sees corruption and greed as a major problem. While popular among the suburb and agrarian provinces, Central China has little control in the Urban areas outside of Chongqing due to business influence opposed to the faction. Has no cores on industrialized areas besides Chongqing. Central China is surrounded by enemies on all sides. It's strength lies in the relatively clean government it has, combined with moderate industrial capacity.

*Attempt to reduce corruption in Guangxi: available every 30 days, +2% Dissent, -50 Money. If Successful -5% Dissent. Default Chance 25%
*Attempt to reduce corruption in Yunnan: available every 30 days, +2% Dissent, -50 Money. If Successful -5% Dissent. Default Chance 45%
*Attempt to reduce corruption in Central Government: available every 30 days, +1% Dissent, -25 Money. If Successful -5% Dissent. Default Chance 75%
*Attempt to reduce corruption in Local Government: available every 30 days, -5% Dissent, -150 Money. If Successful -5% Dissent. Default Chance 15%
*Increase Democratic Participation at Township Levels?: +2 Democratic
*Remove Unwritten Quid-Pro-Quo Dismissal of High Level Official Corruption Policy?
*If (Increase Democratic Participation at Township Levels): Chance to reduce corruption + 25%
*If (Remove Unwritten Quid-Pro-Quo Dismissal of High Level Official Corruption Policy?): Chance to reduce corruption + 25%
*If (all corruption gone): +25% Dissent in Beijing China, chance to reunify with Southeastern China (75%)
*If (some corruption gone): (Persistent) Popular Support: +1 Militia, + Supplies
*If (Democratic): Unify with Southern China: -> Annex Southern China

===South China===
The port cities of Southern China sees the civil war as a dangerous precedent. Given the fall of moderates in the old government, they know that any new reactionary government (be it leftist or rightist) would be more than happy to remove the democratic rights given to the port cities. As a result, Southern China has pre-emptively struck and taken the industrial centers in Guangdong. It will take a while before the administration is completely reformed in these areas and corruption vanquished. However, once it is, South China could be poised to spread democracy in the nation.

*Emergency Security Act: -5% Dissent, +1 Authoritarian
*If (no Emergency Act and owns territory outside of HK/Aomen): Old Order Agitation (Persistent): Small chance every day, +1% dissent
*National Conscription Act: +3 Militia, +1 Authoritarian
*Guangdong Administration Integrated: Small chance, add cores on Guangdong.
*If (Authoritarian): Democratic Protests (Persistent): +5% Dissent
*If (Democratic Protests): Increase Emergency Powers?: -2% Dissent, sleep democratic protests
*If (Increase Emergency Powers): Chance of Military Coup -> Country becomes Fascist
*If (Fascist): Join Southeastern China?
*If (Fascist && Unified China): Restore Democracy? -20% Dissent YES, +40% Dissent NO
*If (Democratic && Unified China): Negotiations with RoC -> Annex RoC
*If (Central China annexed by North China && Democratic): Seek Republic of China Protection. -> Annexed by RoC

===Republic of China===
Mainland China is in chaos. While the KMT in Taiwan doesn't have the manpower to directly wage war against any mainland faction, it can support democratic reformers there who could help achieve Jiang Jieshi's dream of reforming the RoC in Nanjing.

*Support Southern China - Send supplies to Southern China
*Negotiate with X China if X Faction is democratic - Chance of unification

===Southeastern China===

*Democratic reform pressures (persistent) +1 Democratic, +1 Left
*Reactionary Business pressures (persistent) +1 Authoritarian, +1 Right

===Xinjiang Autonomous Region===
The various factions of the Civil War have agreed to leave the Autonomous administration out of their power struggles. It is a good opportunity for Xinjiang to develop. Given the domination of Chinese culture in the region today, an East Turkestan revolution is highly unlikely, however, foreign pressures and a small insurgency could end up destroying this opportunity.

*Refugees Arrive: + manpower (longer war drags out, higher chance)
*Business community flees to Xinjiang: + IC (longer war drags out, higher chance)
*Crack down on Ughur Separatist Terrorists: -5% Dissent, + revolt risk, +1 Closed Society
*Implement social programs to help minority groups: +5% Dissent (Han view they are being discriminated against), - revolt risk, +1 Open Society
*Implement political reforms: -Terrorist chance, -5% Dissent, +1 Open Society
*If (Closed Society): Terrorist Plot Succeeds (Persistent): +5% dissent
*If (Open Society): Minority Protests (Persistent): +5% dissent
*If (Open Society && Minority Protests occured): Expand minority rights: => sleep minority protests.

 

[Xie]

If there were to be a civil war (incredibly unlikely), it'd be much more likely:

Chongqing China - Bo Xilai (Leninist, Economic Left, Political Authoritarian) - "Central" China - Cannot peacefully rejoin North China.
Beijing China - Xi Jingpin (Paternal Autocrat, Economic Right, Political Authoritarian) - "North" China - Cannot peacefully rejoin Central China.
Shanghai China - Business Clique (Fascist, Economic Right, Political Mixed) - "Southeast" China - Can peacefully rejoin Central or North China.
Xinjiang Autonomous Region - Neutral in Civil War, auto joins the victor (NAP with all, guaranteed by all, Paternal Autocrat, Economic Right, Political Authoritarian)
Tibet Autonomous Region - Neutral in Civil War, auto joins the victor (NAP with all, guaranteed by all, Social Conservative, Economic Mixed, Political Authoritarian)
South China - Business Clique (Social Conservative, Economic Right, Political Democratic) - Hong Kong + Aomen + some regional provinces in Guangdong ("preemptively occupied") - "South China", can peacefully  rejoin Southeast China or Republic of China
Republic of China - Ma Yingjiu (Social Conservative, Economic Right, Political Democratic) - "Republican" China

Good. Can you prepare ministers for these nations?

But my version is this:

Red=China
Grey=East Turkestan
Teal=Light Purple
Green=Yunnan
Yellow=Manchuria

Also Fascist ideology in this mod is National Populist.

 

[LouiST]

Good. Can you prepare ministers for these nations?

But my version is this:

Red=China
Grey=East Turkestan
Teal=Light Purple
Green=Yunnan
Yellow=Manchuria

Also Fascist ideology in this mod is National Populist.

Manchuria to me hardly makes sense. Today Han Chinese is the overwhelming majority in the region isn't it?

 

[Xie]

Manchuria to me hardly makes sense. Today Han Chinese is the overwhelming majority in the region isn't it?

I'm gonna go look over that.

 

[Limith]

Read my descriptions Xie.

Manchuria doesn't make sense.

East Turkestan also doesn't.

Of course, imo, a civil war is HIGHLY unlikely in real life. If you wanted a realistic MDS, war between China/Japan+Phillippines or China+Pakistan/India or China/Vietnam is more likely. You can have the ability for China to end support of North Korea for alliance with South Korea after they unify. China can choose to force down Vietnam claims on SEA Sea or concede for alliance as well. Phillippines/Japan/USA would then be in a cold war against China/Korea/Vietnam. You can also have NATO vs BRIC or subsets (NATO + India + South Africa vs African Union vs Arab Federation vs Russia(can join NATO or EA) vs ASEAN (Phillippines+Australia+Malaysia+Japan) vs East Asia (China + Pakistan + Korea + Vietnam). ASEAN would de facto have similar interests with NATO but their alliance can break. Arab Federation could be hostile with African Union (if fundamentalist/extremists come to power in AF) OR it can be allied with African Union (3rd world alliance of sorts, like the non-aligned movement), if it creates the new NAM, then South American could join the NAM.

 

[Xie]

Just so you know all the Civil War events I've proposed are highly unlikely.

EDIT: Looked up Manchuria. Yes. Turns out it's unlikely.

 

[whatguts]

the only thing "civil" about civil war in china is Tibet, and if you want to stretch it Xingjiang,
or a more realistic round 2 between PRC and ROC