Daphiné not turning into France despite having the upper hand at the end of the HYW?

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Dauphiné not turning into France despite having the upper hand at the end of the HYW?

Hi. 'm new to the mod, so I don't really know what is normal and what isn't, but I don't think the following situation is logical : is this supposed to be a possible outcome of the HYW (1.39, VH/Coward, btw)?

in case you are wondering which colour is Burgundy, don't, Burgundy is gone.
It kind of opposed Henri's claim to the throne, so it declared war on England along with France. I used the opportunity to launch my own alliance into conflict with England, and took most of the spoils. (Gascogne to FOix, which I later Annexed, and Nor, Caux & Pic to Deauphiné)
There were events popingup about the crowning of the Dauphin as king, and indeed what was left of France (Calais and Paris) was led by Charles VII, But plain "Charles" was still head of the Dauphiné.
Since I had a casus belli on France, I jumped on the occasion of a renewal of the conflict between England + allies & France + burgundy + allies to backstab the later group, against whome I had a CB, and, combining with the English troops but taking again all the spoils, I raped Burgundy and took Calais from France.
To put an end to the schizophrenic feeling of having two Charles around, I finished off France as soon as I could, and Burgundy's only province rebelled, and instead of seing the setting a new Burgundian GVT, Brabant declared its independance, effectively destroying Burgundy forever.

So, by 1453: France & Burgundy out, England off the continent.
Is the fact that I never got the option to become France normal?

Cause not having any of the French events doesn't make the game very exciting. :/

 

[Reveilled]

Either there's a bug, or you being at war with France and Burgundy prevented you from inheriting France.

 

[Sleepyhead]

I know there's an event in 1461 that'll make you turn into France.

Don't worry, it'll happen sooner or later.

 

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Either there's a bug, or you being at war with France and Burgundy prevented you from inheriting France.

Well, there was all those popups telling me most people, including Burgundy, were recognizing me (ie the Dauphin Charles) and not Henry as the heir to the french crown despite Charles' VI's treaty at the mad king's time death, and then France started to have "Charles the VIIth" as king, with subsequent popups about the crowing in Rheims and all.
After a while of seing two political entities sharing no link whatsoever (no link of vassalage one way or the other, and they belonged to 2 different alliances), but still having the same ruler, I took the fist opportunity to end this absurd situation (Like having France trialing *my* Gilles de Rais, and declaring him guilty, making ME lose his services...)

I know there's an event in 1461 that'll make you turn into France.

Don't worry, it'll happen sooner or later.

errr.
I'm in the 1530s now, and still am Dauphiné.
Not being France means not having verrazano, ie no Explorers, except the random ones (and didn't get any so far). Plus I don't seem to get military leaders either.
generally, I don't seem to have any non-random event...
Not to mention, having my Capital at Tours is not really that glamourous.
Except for the "inheritence of Orleans" that made Orleans a core for the Dauphiné (never mind it already was..)

 

[Reveilled]

Well, there was all those popups telling me most people, including Burgundy, were recognizing me (ie the Dauphin Charles) and not Henry as the heir to the french crown despite Charles' VI's treaty at the mad king's time death, and then France started to have "Charles the VIIth" as king, with subsequent popups about the crowing in Rheims and all.
After a while of seing two political entities sharing no link whatsoever (no link of vassalage one way or the other, and they belonged to 2 different alliances), but still having the same ruler, I took the fist opportunity to end this absurd situation (Like having France trialing *my* Gilles de Rais, and declaring him guilty, making ME lose his services...)

Most likely a bug then. You might want to report it in the bug thread. Just bad luck you got the bugged path instead of the simple "beat England and hold Champagne" one.

 

[TheBagelmeister]

You know, couldn't you just easily trigger the event yourself? It's rather easy to do.

First, press "F12" in you're Dauhpine game. Then write "Event 1000067", or "Event 1000020", and then press "Enter". The first one should've happened earlier, but the other would've removed some cores. But, after this, viola, you're France.

 

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You know, couldn't you just easily trigger the event yourself? It's rather easy to do.

First, press "F12" in you're Dauhpine game. Then write "Event 1000067", or "Event 1000020", and then press "Enter". The first one should've happened earlier, but the other would've removed some cores. But, after this, viola, you're France.

Oh , thanks, didn't know that.
(shows you how much of a virgin I am as far as the mechanics behind the game are concerned, really)
As for reporting the path of decisions that lead to the situation, though I play with events and choices of all known nations as pop-up notices, I must admit I played this really fast, and didn't really play attention to the exact chain of events : couldn't guess think it would turn out this strange, and I had just played another start of game (medium diff) with Deauphiné where everything went fine (ie Burgundy supported Henry's claim) ...

 

[niceta]

To me Orleans was the trigger.
Try to conquer this province and see.

 

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To me Orleans was the trigger.

I have diplo annexed Orleans after the wars...
Nothing special happened...
pretty much diplo annexed anything that is modern France and was not deauphiné at the time of the screenshot, actually. Orleans, Auvergne, Brittany and even Provence, since there was no sign of inheritence by 1500

 

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Yes, this sounds like a bug. It's hard trying to follow the path you took, but I'
m attempting it anyways.

Paste over old event: note: please keep the code format in the style found below.

In Burgundy HYW event file...

#Charles is now King of France (triggered by 1000109 ->DAU )

event = {
id = 1000111
random = no
country = BUR

name = "Charles is now King of France"
desc = "Charles, dauphin of France is now King of France, m'lord...we must attempt to make amends with our sovereign, sire..."

action_a = {
name = "Rats !"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 200 }
}
}

In Dauphin HYW event file...

#The Death of Charles VI (Burgundy failed to establish himself in Paris)

event = {
id = 1000108
random = no
country = FRA
trigger = {
event = 1000002 #The Assassination of Jean the Fearless ->BUR
NOT = {
control = { province = 385 data = BUR }
owned = { province = 385 data = BUR }
vassal = { country = BUR country = FRA }
}
OR = {
event = 1000010 #The Generous Peace of Henry V ->FRA
event = 1000100 #The Treaty of Orleans ->FRA
NOT = {
event = 1000008 #The Treaty of Troyes ->FRA
}
}
}
date = { day = 21 month = october year = 1422 }

name = "The Death of Charles VI"
desc = "On October 21, 1422, King Charles VI of France died in complete isolation. Without the English, Burgundy was unable to gain sufficient control of Paris to advance his own aims. Upon hearing the news of his father's death, and after consulting his coucil, Charles decided to make his way to Rheims to be consecrated as Charles VII King of France"

action_a = {
name = "Long Live King Charles VII !"
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 376 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 383 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 384 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 386 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 413 }
command = { type = breakvassal which = BUR }
command = { type = independence which = ORL }
command = { type = independence which = BOU }
command = { type = trigger which = 1000109 } #The Consecration of Charles VII ->DAU
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000025 } #The Consecration of Charles VII ->DAU
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000006 } #The Negotiations at Troyes ->ENG
}
}

#The Treaty of Troyes (triggered by 1000008 ->FRA )

event = {
id = 1000179
random = no
country = DAU

name = "The Treaty of Troyes"
desc = "EVENTHIST1000175"

action_a = {
name = "Champagne and Nivernais will be hard pressed, m'lord..."
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = INF which = -2 value = 3000 }
}
}

In France HYW file:

#The Death of Charles VI (historical)

event = {
id = 1000015
random = no
country = FRA
trigger = {
event = 1000005 #The Alliance of Montereau ->BUR
}
date = { day = 21 month = october year = 1422 }

name = "The Death of Charles VI"
desc = "On October 21, 1422, King Charles VI of France died in complete isolation. In accordance with the agreements made between the Dauphin and the Duke of Burgundy, the latter agreed to recognise Charles VII as successor to the throne, but at the price of great concessions regarding the government of the Kingdom. The Burgundians remained the puppetmaster, a neccessity in order to break the ambitions of the House of Lancaster."

action_a = {
name = "Long Live King Charles VII!"
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 10000 }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 10000 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 376 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = BUR value = 383 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 384 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 386 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 413 }
command = { type = independence which = ORL }
command = { type = trigger which = 1000016 } #The Legacy of Charles VI ->DAU
}
}

#The Death of Charles VI (Duke Philip has refused to support King Henry V)

event = {
id = 1000017
random = no
country = FRA
trigger = {
event = 1000002 #The Assassination of Jean the Fearless ->BUR
OR = {
event = 1000011 #Refusal of English Ambitions ->ENG
NOT = {
event = 1000006 #Negotiations at Troyes ->ENG
}
}
OR = {
control = { province = 385 data = BUR }
owned = { province = 385 data = BUR }
vassal = { country = BUR country = FRA }
}
}
date = { day = 21 month = october year = 1422 }

name = "The Death of Charles VI"
desc = "On October 21, 1422, King Charles VI of France died in complete isolation. Neither the Dauphin Charles, nor the King of England was in a position to be recognised as master of the royal government. Thus, the Duke of Burgundy remained in control of the kingdom as a regent without a King. A confused situation arose which could not last a long time."

action_a = {
name = "Long Live the Regent Philip !"
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 10000 }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 10000 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = BUR value = 384 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = BUR value = 413 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = BUR value = 383 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = BUR value = 376 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = BUR value = 386 }
command = { type = independence which = ORL }
command = { type = independence which = BOU }
command = { type = trigger which = 1000018 } #The Estate of Charles VI ->BUR
}
}

 

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Sounds like since Burgundy refused to support Henry V's bid for the French Crown during the negotiations at Troyes, BUR was sent down the path towards claiming the French Crown itself. Since you mentioned that BUR faired very badly in the ensuing war against both the Dauphin and England, it would suggest that BUR still had the option of denying the Dauphin Charles upon Charles VI's death in 1422. At this point, Burgundy either supported or denied the Dauphin.

If they supported the Dauphin...ah. I think I found the issue...

Paste this one over the old one...

HYW Burgundy event file...

#The Estate of Charles VI (triggered by 1000017 ->FRA )

event = {
id = 1000018
random = no
country = BUR

name = "The Estate of Charles VI"
desc = "The death of Charles VI and the still unstable military situation left Phillip the Good alone at the head of a shaky royal government. This position would not have been awkward if, in Bourges, there had not been the Dauphin, legitimate heir to the crown. For the Duke of Burgundy, denying the rights of the Dauphin with the support of the Parliament of Paris would allow him to approach the throne, but to let the throne go to Charles VII at a price was also a possibility. Charles was prepared to amend the assassination of Philip's father, free the Dukes of Burgundy from liege homage to the Crown of France, and grant Philip disputed territory in the north east of France that included the Somme towns."

action_a = {
name = "Long Live King Charles VII !"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = relation which = BOU value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = DAU value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = ORL value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = PRO value = 50 }
command = { type = alliance which = DAU }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 376 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 384 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 385 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 386 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 408 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 411 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 413 }
command = { type = addcore which = 383 }
command = { type = trigger which = 1000020 } #Long Live King Charles VII! ->DAU
command = { type = badboy value = -2 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Deny the Rights of the Dauphin"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 2 }
command = { type = relation which = BOU value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = DAU value = -200 }
command = { type = relation which = ORL value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = PRO value = -50 }
command = { type = inherit which = FRA }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 383 value = 5 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 384 value = 5 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 385 value = 5 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 386 value = 5 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 376 value = 5 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 413 value = 5 }
command = { type = badboy value = 2 }
command = { type = trigger which = 1000019 } #Burgundy Refuses the Rights of Charles ->DAU
}
}

HYW Dauphin event file...

#Long Live King Charles VII! (triggered by 1000018 ->BUR )

event = {
id = 1000020
random = no
country = DAU

name = "Long Live King Charles VII !"
desc = "With the death of King CHarles VI, the Dauphin and Philip Duke of Burgundy had entered into a series of negotiations aimed to find a peaceful and rightful settlement for the feud between the two. The Dauphin was prepared to make amends for the assassination of Philip's father, grant the Duke of Burgundy the disputed territories which included the Somme towns, and free the Dukes of Burgundy from liege homage to the Crown of France. In return, Philip would fully back Charles's claim to the throne of France, and make war on those who would oppose the new King of France. Thus, Charles VII could finally return to the capital, and the Duke of Burgundy was confirmed in his possessions and could expect no interference from Paris."

action_a = {
name = "The kingdom is with us !"
command = { type = inherit which = FRA }
command = { type = loansize which = 200 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
command = { type = vp value = 50 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = BUR value = 383 }
command = { type = removecore which = 379 }
command = { type = removecore which = 380 }
command = { type = removecore which = 383 }
command = { type = removecore which = 409 }
}
}

#Charles VII King of France

event = {
id = 1000110
random = no
country = DAU

trigger = {
OR = {
event = 1000020 #Long Live King Charles VII!
event = 1000109 #The Consecration of Charles VII ->DAU
}
}
date = { day = 23 month = october year = 1422 }
offset = 10
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1422 }

name = "Charles VII King of France"
desc = "France is now firmly in your hands M'Lord..."

action_a = {
name = "France is united !"
command = { type = country which = FRA }
command = { type = stability value = 3 }
}
}