Danzing or War: Danzing ? Should this be possible?

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If anyone thinks germany would have been satisfied with Danzig they are as much of an optimist as Chamberlain in '38. Just look at the Czechs. its basically the same situation playing again, but this time Britain doesnt pussy out.

 

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The thesis of Adam Tooze's "The Wages of Destruction" is that Germany would have gone bankrupt sooner rather than later, if they had not started the war. They needed the plunder of the central banks, the access to the raw materials, and there were some additional benefits that we are not supposed to discuss on this forum, that drove the need to attack.

This lack of economic pressure is what missing from the HOI series, partially due to the ability of pre-war stockpiling, and partially to prevent cheesy strategies in multi-player, where Germany is boycotted from day 1.

Germany simply has to go to war, sooner rather than later, or its economy will collapse. A more or less identical situation exists for Japan.

Germany in 1939 had 99% employment and its industrial output became 2-nd largest in the world slightly behind USA( in 1933 it was 8 places below).

yeah but their 99% employment rate was based on basically running a war economy for quite a while, as Pier said its not something that can really last without a war. Darkrenown read the book he mentioned last week I think it was and said it was boring as hell but very good information

Im sure the nazi goverment would try all they could to take the rest of Poland, but they already have Danzig. they promised to respect Poland territorial Integrity. not even the Nazis would be such dicks would they? :ninja:

They were such dicks and its a big reason they managed to get so much stuff without a big power stepping in. Country leaders and major diplomats just didnt expect Hitler to lie them in the face about major stuff like that.

 

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To get away from the name calling, what do you guys think realistically would need to have happened for Germany to make a deal with poland and invite them into axis? If continuing to beat the war drum against communism could they perhaps tried different expansion routes?

 

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I believe at one point the Nazis were supposed to be contemplating an alliance with Poland against the Soviet Union. Nazi racial ideology was flexible, by which I mean inconsistent, arbitrary, and awful in general. Poland was a dictatorship too.

yeah, they swapped pretty quick from "death to the communist threat" to "death to evil capitalism and western decadence" when it was convenient. Hitler could be pretty pragmatic at times it served his long term ambitions

 

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I think there was little to no room for any peaceful solution, even if Poland had ceded Danzig. On important factor in that regard is something that was never too big of an issue in HoI: the state of the German finances.
All investments after the NSDAP's rise to power - including the rearmament and the (in)famous Autobahn program - had left the country in a position in 1939 where default was very likely. Iirc the situation was so bad that the Germans created special "squads" to "secure" the finanical assets of the invaded countries while invasion was still in progress.

I guess HoI models this somewhat by allowing the Germans to seize vast amounts of ressources from conquered targets, but the actual money did never really play a big role in any of the previous installments.