Danzig

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I am hoping someone might be able to help me edit Hearts of Iron 2 with this problem which is really bugging me:

One of the main reason's Hitler declared war on Poland was because the Poles refused to concede the city of Danzing which had a largely German population.

In Hearts of Iron 2 however, when Germany does annex Poland and Danzig reverts to becoming a German city once again, there are massive amounts of Partisan activity in line with all other occupied provinces.

Historically speaking, you would think the citizens of Danzig would be happy to be reunited with Germany.

Can someone please help me edit the province or scenario so that Danzig becomes a German national province (the exact same way as when Luxembourg is annexed by Germany - it is considered a national province and there is no partisan activity)

If anyone can help it would be very much appreciated.

 

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One of the main reason's Hitler declared war on Poland was because the Poles refused to concede the city of Danzing which had a largely German population.

I believe there was much more to this than that. germany does get the cores, but the dissent would be expected. the population, when it was german, existed under a monarchy. Who is to say that they would embrace fascism.

 

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I believe there was much more to this than that. germany does get the cores, but the dissent would be expected. the population, when it was german, existed under a monarchy. Who is to say that they would embrace fascism.

True - but then the same would be expected of Luxembourg

 

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Hmmm never realised you got partisans in danzig...then again, you do not get it as a national territory until an event, maybe danzig or war event-cant remember, or something like that...are you doing the historical events to make it a core or just outright declarring on poland pre-historically?

 

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Hmmm never realised you got partisans in danzig...then again, you do not get it as a national territory until an event, maybe danzig or war event-cant remember, or something like that...are you doing the historical events to make it a core or just outright declarring on poland pre-historically?

This happens at anytime in the game when I conquer and annex Poland. It's extremely frustrating

 

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When you click the little suitcase icon below your mini map, then click one of you provinces..does danzig show up with a dot on it? Just curous cause the more I think about it, the more I am sure that I have never had dissent in danzig, nor the 3 provinces below it that become cores via the MP pact.

 

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There is an event that fires to give you Danzig as a core and DOW Poland. It doesn't work if your at war already I think. I was fighting the Czechs. Anways it didn't fire for me nor did the one to add Memel as your core. It annoyed me to so I edited my save game to fix it.

I can't give exact directions until I get home. But you need to find the entry for the country of Germany in your save game. Should look like this:
country {
tag = GER
And then a huge block of data for various stats. Such as resources, belligerance, ministers, armies etc etc..

You need to find an area of information listing provinces. Something like:
controlledprovinces = {lotsa numbers} (national provinces + those you've occupied but not annexed)
nationalprovinces = {lotsa numbers} (all the provinces you own outright. i.e what you start with and have annexed)
coreprovinces = {lotsa numbers} (these represent the land that you claim, i.e no dissent)

Each province is represented by a number, you need to add the number for Danzig to your core provinces. I can't recall what it was now, have to wait till I get home or do it by trial and error. I do recall the polish territories being in the 300ish block. i.e 301-3##

Oh and be sure to make two saves. In case you screw it up.

 

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open your save game in a text editor, the *.eug file.

find section starting with:
country = {
tag = GER

under this section you need to find a block of data looking like this:

ownedprovinces = { 66 67 74 75 76 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 304 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 374 375 376 473 482 510 373 377 460 461 462 463 464 465 471 472 466 467 470 469 468 474 475 478 477 490 499 476 45 50 51 52 65 68 69 70 40 41 42 43 44 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 18 326 62 63 64 60 61 53 54 55 325 323 56 57 58 59 317 318 316 72 73 71 303 306 307 479 480 481 483 484 305 485 486 487 489 488 509 47 46 77 78 79 48 49 }
controlledprovinces = { 66 67 74 75 76 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 304 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 375 376 473 482 510 373 377 460 461 462 464 465 475 474 476 471 463 477 472 467 470 466 499 315 478 374 469 68 69 50 64 51 317 318 70 52 65 61 55 53 58 38 323 60 59 45 32 36 34 43 54 63 56 326 35 57 40 41 42 33 37 39 18 62 325 316 72 73 44 71 468 481 305 306 303 484 488 307 487 485 483 489 479 509 480 486 490 79 49 77 78 46 48 47 }
nationalprovinces = { 66 67 74 75 76 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 304 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 374 375 376 473 482 510 72 73 316 71 373 377 461 460 462 463 464 465 467 466 471 472 474 307 306 305 206 303 }

it's pretty far down, past a huge list of leaders and ministers.
the section "nationalprovinces" is what we're interested in. add the number 303 here to gain Danzig as a non-dissent territory.

 

[Jozef Pilsudski]

there was a large german population, but there was also a large, and probably larger polish population...

 

[Carroarmato-P40]

Danzig had been in German hands since the Teutonic Knights, crica 1390's i'd say, Thorn 'Torun', Posen and Breslau had some into German hands a little later, however they were all thoroughly Germanized by the 1900's.

 

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Well, he is simply attacking Poland before sep 39, and do NOT take advantage of the event that are hystorical (Molotov Ribbentrop Pact) that give cores on 4 provinces.

He the original poster need to play ahistorical that is just fine and fun, but in that case the outcomes are also hystorical (game balancing can be an polite reason to give).

For game balancing also, Belgium and Nederland and Denmark have special events that are not so hystorical ... That is a game , not an hystorical reconstitution. So do not bother yourself, wait the event, sign the tripartite pact with Italy only, then sign mid august MR pact, wait the 30 august to kick the poles in 2 weeks, wait SU to get the eastern of polnad and Dantzig + Torun + ... will have 0% of dissent. Or do not wait, and then pay the full price.

 

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I remember the Molotow-Ribbentrop Pact (MRP) makes NOT Danzig a german core. I consider this a flaw.

Try : If you have the complete MRP but do not start war with Poland: you can test with "acceptall" and challenge Poland for the provinces >> they will give in (Poznan, Torun, Bydgoszcz,...) - but not Danzig.

So can anyone help to edit the MRP event to make Danzig a core ?

 

[SonofWinter]

Ok, pay attention, since I will only write it once.

MR pact gives the three cores south of Danzig. Danzig or War gives Danzig core. If you go to war before its time, you loose Danzig as a core. And since you are apparently fighting the Czechs you will also loose the Czech territories as cores. Since you don't want them as cores by waiting, pay the price.

 

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Just a historical correction: Hitler went not to war because Poland refused to cave in the demand of Danzig (which was not really given; the cause was the demand of buildig an extraterritorial highway to East Prussia), he went to war because he wanted to crush the Polish and conquer lifespace (Lebensraum) in the east.

 

[kristoff]

One of the main reason's Hitler declared war on Poland was because the Poles refused to concede the city of Danzing which had a largely German population.

Yeah, and one of the main reasons Hitler declared war on USA was because Roosevelt refused to concede city of Milwaukee, known as "the German Athens". Do you really believe in this crap? Danzig was just an excuse - good or bad, it did not matter.

 

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Thanks tgs81

I managed to edit the game the way you suggest in the 1936 scenario and it works perfectly

 

[hegel68]

there was a large german population, but there was also a large, and probably larger polish population...

Oh, come on!
Results of the last census (1923) in Danzig, carried out by the League of Nations:
German: 95.03 %
Polish and Kashubian: 3.28%
Russian and Ukrainian: 0.78%
Mixed polish-german: 0.44 %
Jewish (i.e. those jews who didn't consider themselves to be germans): 0.16 %
Rest: 0.37 %

Sorry that this is my first post in the forum, but as a historian I just had to comment that.

 

[AllThat4Nothing]

Yeah, and one of the main reasons Hitler declared war on USA was because Roosevelt refused to concede city of Milwaukee, known as "the German Athens". Do you really believe in this crap? Danzig was just an excuse - good or bad, it did not matter.

LOVE IT!
:rofl:

And how right you are.

 

[kristoff]

Oh, come on!
Results of the last census (1923) in Danzig, carried out by the League of Nations:
German: 95.03 %
Polish and Kashubian: 3.28%
Russian and Ukrainian: 0.78%
Mixed polish-german: 0.44 %
Jewish (i.e. those jews who didn't consider themselves to be germans): 0.16 %
Rest: 0.37 %

Sorry that this is my first post in the forum, but as a historian I just had to comment that.

And? Historicaly true, but do not make it look as a justification for Hitler's demands.
If so, why don't we consider ethnic structure from XVI, XII or maybe X century? Would it mean that Hitler had a right to demand Danzing i.e. from medieval tribe of Prussians (pagan Balts, not Germans) or Poles (because before partitions of Poland Danzigers were loyal to Polish crown apart from a few incidents in over 300 years)?
Census form 1923, after over 100 years of German occupation of northern-west Poland, had the same meaning as would have - keeping all proportions - census in a massacred city of Srebrenica after its fall during civil war in Yugoslavia. Should we consider it Serbian city then?
Sorry for going OT. Poland was deserted and underrated so many times in history, and our history was subject to such lies abroad, that we're overacting a bit maybe

 

[hegel68]

@kristoff:

I just wanted to correct the historically false statement made by Pilsudski, nothing else.
However, I find your comparison of Danzig/Gdansk with Srebrenica rather tasteless. There have never been any expulsions or massacres in Danzig/Gdansk before WW II.