Czechia

[Anichent]

I know the devs have severely limited the number of new nations popping up. Things like Slovakia and Croatia being the exceptions.

But please oh please add Czechia or the Czech Republic. Every time I see a screenshot of a map that has both Czechoslovakia and Slovakia in it it drives me nuts. It makes no sense.

I know it seems an odd country to focus on, but if there is 1 country this game is missing, and always has been missing, its a second half to Slovakia. Its always the first country I have to mod in because its just missing from the game.

 

[BobbyDylan]

The game starts in 1936. Have you looked at a european map from 1936? The Czech republic didn't exist till 1993. The game timeline ends in 1948 I think.

 

[LordOfWar16]

The game starts in 1936. Have you looked at a european map from 1936? The Czech republic didn't exist till 1993. The game timeline ends in 1948 I think.

It should be Böhmen (Bohemia) that you can release, rather than the czech republic as germany. Overall, that was what the czech part became after the second vienna award, the protectorate "Böhmen und Mähren" under german controll. To be clear, it still was basicly a occupation zone, since they had very limited self administration.

This was its flag.

Spoiler: flag

 

[zyphial]

The game starts in 1936. Have you looked at a european map from 1936? The Czech republic didn't exist till 1993. The game timeline ends in 1948 I think.

To be fair, the name Czechia is very, very old. Its recent revival is a "return to form" (also Czech Republic is something of a mouthful). I don't think a Czechoslovakia without Slovakia should be called Czechoslovakia.

 

[Metz]

Well if you can have a country for the Slovaks, then why not one for the Czechs? Regardless that it was created in 1993.

 

[Anichent]

Regardless of what you call it, the fact that it "didn't exist yet" is not the point.

The point is, Germany creates Slovakia but if Germany loses the war fast and someone releases Germany's conquests while still letting Slovakia exist, then you have 2 Slovakias. It makes no sense. (take a look at that screenshot after the devs let the game run all night and Greece conquers Italy. You'll note the existence of both Czechoslovakia and Slovakia...and it just instantly offends my senses lol)

There ought to be a mechanic that Czochoslovakia cannot be released or liberated while Slovakia exists, and if it is it cannot be called Czechoslovakia (Czech Republic, Czechia, Bohemia and Moravia....the name is not really the point.)

 

[Metz]

Regardless of what you call it, the fact that it "didn't exist yet" is not the point.

The point is, Germany creates Slovakia but if Germany loses the war fast and someone releases Germany's conquests while still letting Slovakia exist, then you have 2 Slovakias. It makes no sense.

There ought to be a mechanic that Czochoslovakia cannot be released or liberated while Slovakia exists, and if it is it cannot be called Czechoslovakia (Czech Republic, Czechia, Bohemia and Moravia....the name is not really the point.)

Could be Bohemia-Moravia the same way we have Bosnia-Herzegovina.

 

[HerrWeltkrieg]

He means that when Slovak state was created by whatever reason there should be Czech state as well if not already gobled up by Germany or anyone else.

 

[Anichent]

He means that when Slovak state was created by whatever reason there should be Czech state as well if not already gobled up by Germany or anyone else.

More thinking about after Germany is defeated, but either way same idea ya. "Czechoslovakia" should not exist while there is a Slovakia, leaving only 1 option if the Allies or an alt-history faction win the war without wanting to conquer it.

 

[Nitan17]

take a look at that screenshot after the devs let the game run all night and Greece conquers Italy.

Huh? What screenshot? Could you provide a link?

 

[Orlunu]

I don't think a Czechoslovakia without Slovakia should be called Czechoslovakia.

Well if you can have a country for the Slovaks, then why not one for the Czechs? Regardless that it was created in 1993.

I think that a Czechoslovakia without a Slovakia would hold that Slovakia is actually rightfully their clay and the division was a brutal foreign-imposed mutilation.

 

[Anichent]

Huh? What screenshot? Could you provide a link?

sure

I think that a Czechoslovakia without a Slovakia would hold that Slovakia is actually rightfully their clay and the division was a brutal foreign-imposed mutilation.

Only how can it be Czechoslovakia if it doesn't not include any of Slovakia.
Especially when theoretically they could both be democracies.

I get how some people think it doesn't matter. But on ahistorical mode especially, you have strange things that can happen, people can play longer, Germany could be lost quickly, etc.
I for instance intent to conquer Czechoslovakia early on and would love to release Slovakia and its Czech counterpart as puppets eventually, and this is the one hole in the game that absolutely makes no sense.

I mean sure we could each mod it in but to me its a big hole that the devs themselves should fix. Shouldn't take long.

 

[Orlunu]

sure

Only how can it be Czechoslovakia if it doesn't not include any of Slovakia.
Especially when theoretically they could both be democracies.

1. Either my eyes are real bad, or that's the Czech Republic in the image. The only letters I can make out clearly on it are "H REPU"
2. Because it still claims Slovakia. How come North and South Korea aren't officially North or South Korea? The government names the country, and it'll name it what it thinks it should be. I'm not buying the Czech government being fine with that division even by '48, unless they were internationalist Communists, I guess, but those get a different name anyway.

 

[Anichent]

1. Either my eyes are real bad, or that's the Czech Republic in the image. The only letters I can make out clearly on it are "H REPU"
2. Because it still claims Slovakia. How come North and South Korea aren't officially North or South Korea? The government names the country, and it'll name it what it thinks it should be. I'm not buying the Czech government being fine with that division even by '48, unless they were internationalist Communists, I guess, but those get a different name anyway.

Its Czechoslovakia and the Slovak Republic.

Your north and south korea example does not apply. Both countries are in the geographical area known as Korea. Skovakia and Czechia/Bohemia and Moravia are two different geographical areas. I understand the point you are trying to make, but it does not apply.

What you are talking about is being able to have two states from a civil war survive, which the devs have already answered that it is something they may look into in a future update. This is entirely different.

 

[Orlunu]

Its Czechoslovakia and the Slovak Republic.

Your north and south korea example does not apply. Both countries are in the geographical area known as Korea. Skovakia and Czechia/Bohemia and Moravia are two different geographical areas. I understand the point you are trying to make, but it does not apply.

What you are talking about is being able to have two states from a civil war survive, which the devs have already answered that it is something they may look into in a future update. This is entirely different.

I stand corrected, then.

Both countries are in the area known as Czechoslovakia. Exactly the same logic applies to the three: their names lay claim to larger lands than they hold, because the governments do. Whether it happens through civil war or blitzkrieging Germans is fairly unimportant to that. Case notes, the same thing happened with Mongolia and Manchuria in the time frame, and those times it was through invasion, not civil war.

 

[Anichent]

I stand corrected, then.

Both countries are in the area known as Czechoslovakia. Exactly the same logic applies to the three: their names lay claim to larger lands than they hold, because the governments do. Whether it happens through civil war or blitzkrieging Germans is fairly unimportant to that. Case notes, the same thing happened with Mongolia and Manchuria in the time frame, and those times it was through invasion, not civil war.

You don't seem to be getting it. You can unite Italy and France into Italofrancia or Francoitalia but it doesn't change the geographic areas. Italy was always geographically Italy whether it was part of Rome or the Papal States or whatever. I'm starting to feel like you are being difficult for difficulties sake. No government takes the name of a land they down not own at all.

If I play fascist Hungary and I want to conquer Czechoslovakia, then in 1937 release Slovakia but keeps Czech factories, and then in 1941 I am ready to release the rest of the land, what are my options? They are both my puppets. One puppet named Slovakia and one named Czechoslovakia still doesn't make sense.

No matter how you want to paint it, and I'm not sure why you are pushing so hard, it makes no sense.

 

[Anichent]

It should be Böhmen (Bohemia) that you can release, rather than the czech republic as germany. Overall, that was what the czech part became after the second vienna award, the protectorate "Böhmen und Mähren" under german controll. To be clear, it still was basicly a occupation zone, since they had very limited self administration.

I am not referring to the protectorate. I do not think the protectorate should be its own country. To be clear on my post's intent.

The game starts in 1936. Have you looked at a european map from 1936? The Czech republic didn't exist till 1993. The game timeline ends in 1948 I think.

have you looked at a 1936 or 1939 map? Croatia and Vichy France and Slovakia do not exist either.
In this case Czechia is a country that MUST be releasable as a consequence of allowing Slovakia to exist. It's been a flaw in past HOI games and it continues to be one in this game. The fact that most gamers do not understand that Czechoslovakia cannot exist without Slovakia is sad, but not really an issue for my post

 

[Orlunu]

If I play fascist Hungary and I want to conquer Czechoslovakia, then in 1937 release Slovakia but keeps Czech factories, and then in 1941 I am ready to release the rest of the land, what are my options? They are both my puppets. One puppet named Slovakia and one named Czechoslovakia still doesn't make sense.

No matter how you want to paint it, and I'm not sure why you are pushing so hard, it makes no sense.

Czechoslovakia isn't the fascist name for it, though, is it? Or is fascist their default mode? My comment was based on the name being that of the democratic version, of course, as that is the one that actually gets to pick a name for itself.

"Pushing so hard"... I state something, you make it clear you've missed my point, it's fairly natural to point it out again. I have no emotional investment in this, that's just how communication works.

 

[wingo]

Having both Czechoslovakia and Slovakia is the same as having both Austria-Hungary and Hungary
Just to clear things up.

 

[Orlunu]

Having both Czechoslovakia and Slovakia is the same as having both Austria-Hungary and Hungary
Just to clear things up.

Except that Austria and Hungary had long been separate, and that they had largely separate governments as Austria-Hungary, and that it was a matter of the monarch having claim over both separate lands rather than there having been one land. So, yes, other than all of the relevant factors, it's similar. They were both named after two peoples.