Hey originally in DD these guys were pretty much for your SHBB fleets to use.
Do they do anything at all in a CV task force? (1.3a)
Do they do anything at all in a CV task force? (1.3a)
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They help your fleet's positioning value and act as a damage soak for your other capital ships. You should include at least one in any major fleet, maybe two depending on how big you make your fleets.
They can also do ORG damage to bombers trying to hit your planes (which is an absolute life saver) and apparenly they got good anti-sub abilities (although not too sure on that)
Yes, they got a sub attack ranking but since AI in 1.3 does not build submarines any more then this sub attack bonus is useless in single player.
So do you mean that the AI doesnt build any submarines at all in ARMA 1.3b2 , dont they start off with some in their fleets?
I'm new to this game and I'm playing the UK from 1936.. (managed to prevent War breaking out with Germany / Austria until 2 Apr 40).. but my resource "convoys & escorts" have been attacked and sunk by U-Boats and my "real" Naval surface ships have been engaged and sunk in 1-2-1 battles with U-Boat packs too.. so the Germans must have U-Boats as i have seen them? PLus i have 7 x ASW Fleets actively looking for U-Boats
Does this mean that its not worth researching Naval Doctrines for Commerce protection / ASW bonuses etc or building / equipping / upgrading ASW ships ?
Ref: CV-Ls I take it that they actually dont have any planes to control or that you can add a produced CAG brigade to them (i tried this and it didnt work )?
Any tips how to beat the German "Uber Fleet" that destroys everything in its path... i have encountered it twice now in the North Sea (commanded by Raeder i think.. more like Arnie the Terminator).. it destroyed my CTF fleet of 16 Ships (2 x CV-IV, 1 x CV-II, 4 x CL-IV (with Rad/FC) 2 x BC-III, 4 x DD-III, 3 x SS-III in seconds (leaving 3 subs remaining). It then steamed happily on and sunk my Grand Fleet in seconds too.. this was an 27 ship Fleet SAG with
9 x BBs -III / II with RAD/FC,
1 x BC - III with RAD/FC
1 x CVL
7 x CL - IV with RAD/FC or AA mix
6 x DD - IV with ASW
3 x SS - III
It took me hours and hours of "of real play time" to upgrade / re-org a fleets of this size.... then the German fleet sunk them both early Apr 40 !! The German admiral had a ridiculously high Skill & Exp level.. not sure how as they had been hiding in port until Apr 40 !!
Im at a loss how to counter this... i originally read and followed "Pro_Consul's HoI2 Naval Primer" , who advises building 18 Ship CAGs / SAGs - but these were "sunk" pronto... so then tried the bigger fleets with no luck either. Is there something I am doing wrong, or is the AI just being lucky?
Any advise would be helpful
CVLs have "built-in" airplanes so you can't deploy CAG to them, only to the big carriers.
As for the german navy, usually it hides in ports because they are lacking support ships.
As for the german navy, usually it hides in ports because they are lacking support ships.
Capitals, which is why they work so well as damage soaks. Shots that are supposed to hit a capital ship are much, much more likely to hit a CVL than any other capital ship. Someone. blue emu IIRC, did a test on it. Don't know if it can be dragged back to the surface.
EDIT It was something like 25% of the capitals hips in a fleet were CVLS and they took 50% of the capital ship hits. Those numbers are pulled out of my *** but that is the general idea.
Thx. Apparently this was the reason why i didn't use them. 
Damage soaking might work this way but i prefer to have sufficient capitals which also survive enemy attacks. I better have them in port afterwards for repairs them have to build new ships from scratch.
In my experience BBs work well as damage soakers if either
- you killed off the main enemy body in the few decisive battles
- you have enough of them so that even if you lose 1 of them does not cripple YOUR main body
Damage soaking might work this way but i prefer to have sufficient capitals which also survive enemy attacks. I better have them in port afterwards for repairs them have to build new ships from scratch.
In my experience BBs work well as damage soakers if either
- you killed off the main enemy body in the few decisive battles
- you have enough of them so that even if you lose 1 of them does not cripple YOUR main body
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The idea behind the CVL as a damage soak is that they are cheaper and faster to produce meaning;
This allows the real fighting ships, whether gun ships or carriers, to spend more time fighting the enemy and less time in port or the bottom of the ocean.
I didn't find the thread I was thinking of but did find this, which references it:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=382859
Note that thread was before the 1.3 patch; prior to that CVLs had a teleporting effect that allowed SAGs to close with any CTF. The patch removed that.
- They repair faster and cheaper
- You can have a reserve of them in a home port and swap them out as needed.
This allows the real fighting ships, whether gun ships or carriers, to spend more time fighting the enemy and less time in port or the bottom of the ocean.
I didn't find the thread I was thinking of but did find this, which references it:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=382859
Note that thread was before the 1.3 patch; prior to that CVLs had a teleporting effect that allowed SAGs to close with any CTF. The patch removed that.
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Thank you, that's a good read.
As i see it, both approaches are correct. CVLs would be superiour damage soakers IF they survive.
BBs much more likely will survive but will be put out of action for much longer. It#s a treade off that also has to do with positioning and luck.
Since naval warfare has something of 'all or nothing' i lean towards BBs which have a heap of punishing power, too. But in future test games i might look into the mentioned ability of CVLs to improve the positioning of a task force. This might save me a lot of 'research in advance' in the sector of naval doctrines.
As i see it, both approaches are correct. CVLs would be superiour damage soakers IF they survive.
BBs much more likely will survive but will be put out of action for much longer. It#s a treade off that also has to do with positioning and luck.
Since naval warfare has something of 'all or nothing' i lean towards BBs which have a heap of punishing power, too. But in future test games i might look into the mentioned ability of CVLs to improve the positioning of a task force. This might save me a lot of 'research in advance' in the sector of naval doctrines.
Last thing before i leave for a while; how many CVLs could you build in place of 1 BB?
Umm, that makes for 5 assuming basic costs. Good point.
Here is another of mine:
CVL's an additional tech slot and CVLs won't do much about shore bombardment. In naval combat they are paper ships barring power. A '38 BB has 21 times the sea attack of a '39 CVL.
But you have a point. Will reconsider as said above after a few test runs. In naval warfare, positioning is key and if CVL are as beneficial as some do say, they might pretty much be worth the investment.
Here is another of mine:
CVL's an additional tech slot and CVLs won't do much about shore bombardment. In naval combat they are paper ships barring power. A '38 BB has 21 times the sea attack of a '39 CVL.
But you have a point. Will reconsider as said above after a few test runs. In naval warfare, positioning is key and if CVL are as beneficial as some do say, they might pretty much be worth the investment.
The way I see it, if all else truly fails, then you might have 1 last thing to fall back on, and this is only if nothing else whatsoever works. You might be able to build a 'zerg' fleet. This sort of fleet consists of 60-90 DD units which when put together, take advantage of the game engine by bringing an unearthly amount of guns on enemy ships at one time. I stronly advise, however that you try other things first. Strongly. For instance, if you have the CORE mod you can use the misc.txt file to replace the vanilla one. CORE is designed to be more realistic and historical. I.E. it is made to be closer to history than the vanilla game itself. With the misc.txt file, an admiral can command up to 75 ships. Using this, I would suggest that you combine a few CTF and SAG and CAG fleets instead of going with the zerg fleet, this is only my opinion, however.
Hey, thanks for the advice.... i tried installing CORE 040 last night.
Do you have to install both Core_black & white graphics & Core Colour graphics... or is it one of the other?
Can you have a bigger screen resolution than 1024 x 768.... as currently running Pegasus Hexa Wizard for normal Armageddon at 1280 x 1024?
No, in fact, from what I have read, you do not have to install either. the core graphics should be separate, as a result of the team's descision to keep the files small.
I do not have such a video card, and I have just now heard of it from you, I am sorry, but I cannot answer that question with my current knowledge of computer hardware.
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