CVL's and CAG's

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they could maybe be added through techs giving better escort efficiency.

The carrier escort doctrine (I think that's what it's called) does exactly that

 

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The carrier escort doctrine (I think that's what it's called) does exactly that

Right, forgot the setup of the standard tech tree. Well, that really leaves no reason to have those hybrid ships in the game, they should be made real CVLs.

 

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Right, forgot the setup of the standard tech tree. Well, that really leaves no reason to have those hybrid ships in the game, they should be made real CVLs.

Spocky's mod more or less does that. I don't know if he modded their speed but that's easily fixed. All you have to do is check the speed for CVL's in the text file and make sure is what it should be.

 

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Hmmm, I would not consider a CVL a capital ship. Many of these were built on transport or light cruiser hulls. Their missions were also not as capital ships. They were used for anti-sub, convoy escort, and even as simple aircraft transports and aircraft replenishment ships.

As Blue Emu states, these were not first line ships at all. The few times they got in that role, the losses were staggering. They simply did not carry the air group complement to survive AND they were too slow.

Personally, I think that the current CVL usage in the game a bit of an exploit. As Blue Emu suggests, they are VERY powerful when put into a SAG. But IRL, I don't think that would have happened. Most of the CVL's were just too slow, too thin skinned, and too weak in terms of air groups. Comm's in this era just weren't sophisticated enough to coordinate them as the SOV's did with their CVL's in the Cold War era. Think about Midway where the JAP tried to coordinate 3 groups and just could not do it effectively.

I'll defer to the "Naval Nutjobs" on this, but until then....

PS: OTOH, I do 'enjoy' the CVL exploit because it is so fun to whoop up on the USA CV's with the KMS Bismark!

If even players with 4000+ posts dont considder CVL as capital ship, and dont understand that after ww2 jets were taking of from some carriers built even before ww2 ,and that light carriers were used in first line of combat on amphibious operations and even as a complement of carrier task forces,than there realy is no tool of logics that I can use here to explain that CVL-s are urgently needing their atachments respesenting planes.


I give up.(for now)

 

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If even players with 4000+ posts dont considder CVL as capital ship, and dont understand that after ww2 jets were taking of from some carriers built even before ww2 ,and that light carriers were used in first line of combat on amphibious operations and even as a complement of carrier task forces,than there realy is no tool of logics that I can use here to explain that CVL-s are urgently needing their atachments respesenting planes.

Just a slight nitpick, the carriers that used jet planes after WW2 was laid down in WW2 not before the war.