Custom Culture Melting Pot for Player Only

[Narvait]

When:
1) main liege of Kingdom+ level realm is of Culture A
2) majority of realm is of culture B
3) majority of culture A is outside the realm

Then:
A chain of events may start that will end with the following decision:
[somewhat better text needed] “You and your loyal men are getting accustomed to local traditions and wives, also local population is learning your ways. You are no more traditional <Culture A> and they are no more <Culture B>. You are now one people!”
Screen appears where you pick characteristics for new culture:
1) Core culture - by default Culture A; can pick any
2) Culture Name - by default <Culture B> <Culture A> (i.e. Greek Norse); can give any name
3) Physical appearance - by default Mix. Can pick A or B or Mix.
4) Clothes - by default A, can pick B
5) Names - by default A, can pick A, B or Mix

For example, when you as Steppe Turkish conquer Byzantines. You might go for
Core culture Turkish
Name Ottomans
Appearance Mix
Clothes Greek
Names Turkish

or less historical. Say Lithuanians in India
Core Lithuanians
Name Indobalts
Appearance mix
Clothes Gujarati
Names mix

 

[Cèsar de Quart]

Would be nice if:
- Name lists were separate (but linked, of course) to culture files
- Name lists would also be transformed by culture layers, for example, Norse settlers in Byzantium might convert to Varangian culture (Norse-Greek), with the same Norse name list their northern cousins would have, but the name would go with their Greek transliteration (Harald > Araltes, for example).
- Name lists could also merge, so that Visigoths converted to Islam and Arab culture would still pick Visigothic names (which historically did) but also Muslim names, like the Banu Qassi did.

 

[Narvait]

Would be nice if:
- Name lists were separate (but linked, of course) to culture files
- Name lists would also be transformed by culture layers, for example, Norse settlers in Byzantium might convert to Varangian culture (Norse-Greek), with the same Norse name list their northern cousins would have, but the name would go with their Greek transliteration (Harald > Araltes, for example).
- Name lists could also merge, so that Visigoths converted to Islam and Arab culture would still pick Visigothic names (which historically did) but also Muslim names, like the Banu Qassi did.

I like this.
however it would require Paradox do many different (pre defined) melting pots, which actually I am not against. Some 10-15 combos could indeed be predefined. Like Varangians, Ottomans, etc.

And my idea was for lazy folk - to give less common melting pots chance to appear at least for player without much coding from Paradox side. They did it for religion, why not for culture too.

 

[Ezumiyr]

It seems nice in theory ; but how would the game decide what's better to do in all cases? Like, it's relatively easy to find examples that sound good (like Araltes for Harald), but only the namelists etc are hand-made, I doubt the results would be really nice.
We could easily get mixes that don't make a lot of sense (using the wrong clothing, or names that don't make much sense for a melting pot culture).

Dynamic melting pots would be really nice, but I think that we first need namelist enhancements first, and cultural enhancement in general. Separating religion from culture isn't always easy, but it would be a start.
Once things are clean, then I think dynamic melting pots should be possible. But building that feature over the current mess will likely have bad results. Namelists are plagued with anachronistic names or religious names that should be part of religious namelists only ; some namelists seem to contain a lot of made up names (I saw an estonian complaining about estonian names the other day for example). And a lot of names don't have the appropriate conversions to other cultures.

It would also be nice to see more cultural particularism (more innovations per culture, and probably the other stuff from flavour packs) beforing getting dynamic melting pots too. That way, we don't get a feature that is designed to work with a basis that will change anyway.

 

[Narvait]

Namelists are plagued with anachronistic names or religious names that should be part of religious namelists only

That is so very true. Like all those Greek names for East Slavs. Why would Slavic pagans name their son Dmitry..
indeed name lists should be divided into religious or not - making culture vs religion group matrix. Say these are Finnish names regardless religion. These are Finnish names Christian. These are Finnish names Muslim. These are Finnish names Buddhists. If the list is empty/not there it is ok, just use “names regardless religion” list.

 

[Dkdm89]

This is an interesting idea. I posted something similar about the Turkish and Hungarian people in the historical accuracy discussion thread. Some historical settled cultures should definately become more special than it is right now.