I have much less fond memories of HOI3 than you seem to and found its AI to be only better than this one in some ways while worse in others.
Current state of HoI IV
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Yes except I have to use the battlepallner to amphibious landings or paradrops.
To be fair: HOI3 has a different conceptual basis, so HOI3 feels already different in most areas. Within the conceptual basis HOI3 AI works imho fine, whereas HOI4 AI exploits its own concept on a regular basis.
This is imho the major reason, which annoys ppl (including me) so much: concept coupled with AI behaviour in HOI4.
That is not even funny. There needs to be a solid outline on how they are going to fix this steaming pile of single player mess that 1.3.3 left on our doorstep. If all is mentioned is look at our kewl eye candy and new focus trees........, get ready for the forum to light up.
Either light up, or go dark permanently.
Note that the initial release of HOI3 had massive bugs, and the first couple of patches made a nearly complete overhaul of the game (with both good and bad sides). The expansions made further major changes, as well as adding content and fixing bugs. HOI4 also had massive bugs on release, and basically hasn't been fixed in the initial patches and DLCs.
I have a sense that a lot of people on are on there last set of legs with this game. If 1.4 and the expansion doesn't fix or at least start to fix the problems, player numbers will drop. So, @podcat, we expect something impressive next week and in the coming two months.
I actually still miss the OOB/Command tree feature of HoI3 and the music of HoI1 (I know, I'm a dinosaur).
However, I concur that the game is still problematic (but a good game, let me be clear) especially in the front-lines issues, which are infuriating.
However, I concur that the game is still problematic (but a good game, let me be clear) especially in the front-lines issues, which are infuriating.
Yeah I like parts of it, and I think it has great potential, I'm just extremely concerned.
I think it shows the state of the game that we're almost a year into this game's launch, and we're still getting threads like this...
Whats your opinion on the future? Is this game going anywhere? Will it be decent by say July?
No chance from my perception. There are too many conceptual flaws in HOI4.
- HOI4 is similar but less complex compared to HOI3 and even HOI2. Basically HOI4 is an arcade version of HOI
- Even though most mechanics still exist,... Those are for the most part over-simplified to a point where they are pointless. this applies esspecially to trade. Yet also the complexity of the map is slacking like is the overall limiting factor of eg. fuel.
- Some mechanics are even worse compared to earlies versions: eg naval battle, air battles,....
- ... the list goes on.
That's what I've honestly came to believe, they aren't really trying. Honestly if they are just going to try and shove out the last 2 dlc packages and stop support, I wish they would just come out and say it. But they probably still think they can sell this game and make more money. Just so depressing.
Shit man, I gotta be honest.
I don't think so. I thought 1.3 and TFV was going to fixed the game, but I think we all learn that didn't happen. We're almost a year in and we're still waiting for that next "great" patch that will "fix" or "improve" game greatly, and yet? Look at us. Still unhappy, still reporting bugs, still having Germany that can't manage it's fronts, having vast armies dying in the Sahara, Non-existent/crappy Pacific War, Second Sino-Japanese War doesn't work half the time, air warfare that's still ridiculous, naval game that still sucks, a game that doesn't feel like WW2, and that lacks Soul or personality.
We're still glued to Dev diaries looking not for the next great feature or expansion, but mostly for the next great fix for a many of problems still plaguing the game to this day.
Maybe it's just me...
It's not just you, they read this stuff everyday.. Just mind boggling how they are so silent. Maybe this is there last chance with this patch before management decides money could be spent elsewhere, or hey maybe that's already been decided.
I hope to god I'm wrong because I don't know what other game would fill this niche. But we shall see next week. The wait is killing me. I feel like I invested so much time and money in this game and it lets me down every time, but I still want to care about it. It's like an abusive girlfriend or a hard drug.
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Remember the Devs look at hours played on Steam as their main way of determining how popular the game is. They see the forum as something of a hardcore group of WW II gamers, not representative of the average HOI IV player (not sure how right or wrong they are on this).
So if player numbers or hours goes down then they may start thinking they need to change the game.
So if player numbers or hours goes down then they may start thinking they need to change the game.
So does that mean we should all start boycotting it?
What if it backfires and they conclude future sales prospects are starting to look bleak? I think we all want it 'fixed,' but really not sure how to best get that message through to Paradox.
I don't think we (those that routinely post here) would effect the numbers very much.
'not sure how to best get that message through to Paradox.'
The head of PI has a twitter account he does read it, and I have never seen him post here so I have no idea if he reads this forum ( https://twitter.com/TheWesterFront I know most here hate twitter so they wont do it so you all wont get heard (many HoI players seem to be older)). Now some of the message has gotten through to them. They have seen over 60% of HOI IV players play with mods, much than any other Paradox game. This tells them something is lacking HOI IV. You need to tell them what you want in the game (they already know 'Fix the AI' and they are working on that). Say what elements of which mods you want to see in the core game (yes this is the point where I push you telling them you want my mod Third Reich Events in the game, but I don't think any one does directly ) or as an optional DLC.
There are a lot of complaint threads, there needs to be more threads on what/how you want to see the game changes. Not negative threads, but positive ones. Now the Dev team seems small to me so they can't, I repeat, Can't get it all done in a short time or one DLC. Some have complained about the level of content in the first DLC. I think it is as much they could do in the time available with needing to work on the bugs. The Dev team does care about the game!
'not sure how to best get that message through to Paradox.'
The head of PI has a twitter account he does read it, and I have never seen him post here so I have no idea if he reads this forum ( https://twitter.com/TheWesterFront I know most here hate twitter so they wont do it so you all wont get heard (many HoI players seem to be older)). Now some of the message has gotten through to them. They have seen over 60% of HOI IV players play with mods, much than any other Paradox game. This tells them something is lacking HOI IV. You need to tell them what you want in the game (they already know 'Fix the AI' and they are working on that). Say what elements of which mods you want to see in the core game (yes this is the point where I push you telling them you want my mod Third Reich Events in the game, but I don't think any one does directly
) or as an optional DLC.There are a lot of complaint threads, there needs to be more threads on what/how you want to see the game changes. Not negative threads, but positive ones. Now the Dev team seems small to me so they can't, I repeat, Can't get it all done in a short time or one DLC. Some have complained about the level of content in the first DLC. I think it is as much they could do in the time available with needing to work on the bugs. The Dev team does care about the game!
We need to remember what the devs have already stated. They are working hard on making the AI better and other challenges for the game. The complexity in getting an AI to work well in such a deep game is a huge challenge. I will NOT give this game up. I trust the next patch and the DLC will improve the game significantly.